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Final report on Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 in-flight exit door plug separation

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165 points starkparker | 6 comments | 10 Jul 25 20:51 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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thomascountz ◴[10 Jul 25 21:46 UTC] No.44525985[source]▶
> We determined that the probable cause of this accident was the in-flight separation of the left MED plug due to Boeing’s failure to provide adequate training, guidance, and oversight necessary to ensure that manufacturing personnel could consistently and correctly comply with its parts removal process, which was intended to document and ensure that the securing bolts and hardware that were removed to facilitate rework during the manufacturing process were properly reinstalled.

A bit OT, but what a gorgeous whale of a sentence! As always, the literary prowess of NTSB writers does not disappoint.

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ryandrake ◴[10 Jul 25 22:15 UTC] No.44526278[source]▶
Reading aviation-related NTSB final reports is kind of a hobby of mine, and I must say, the NTSB is generally a treasure! Sure, you can find issues with some of their investigations, roads they might not have probed down as far as they could, but their culture of root causing and transparently reporting should be emulated across the government. I really hope they don't fall victim to the casual, random destruction our current administration is inflicting on broad swaths of the government.
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frumplestlatz ◴[10 Jul 25 22:26 UTC] No.44526377[source]▶
The current aims of the executive branch are neither casual nor random, and I doubt the NTSB is in their crosshairs.

The goals are both obvious and specific; it’s a culture war being fought at the funding level.

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postpawl ◴[10 Jul 25 22:56 UTC] No.44526630{3}[source]▶
A culture war on poor people who need Medicaid? That doesn’t seem like class war to you?
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xp84 ◴[10 Jul 25 23:19 UTC] No.44526795{4}[source]▶
Can you point out what aspects of the bill relating to Medicaid are most concerning? I don't just mean the DNC talking points, but rather specific provisions. When I read through the actual provisions[1] they are far less scary than what I hear being used as DNC fundraising fodder. For instance, I can't just show up in the UK without any legal status and automatically have all free healthcare from the NHS[2]. But the provisions removing federal tax money support to provide free healthcare to the undocumented is one of the things being pointed to by opponents of the bill as being especially evil. If you feel that way, why is the US the only country that ought to do that?

[1] https://www.kff.org/tracking-the-medicaid-provisions-in-the-...

[2] https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-englan...

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postpawl ◴[10 Jul 25 23:53 UTC] No.44526994{5}[source]▶
The work requirements force people to file paperwork proving 80 hours of work monthly, and Arkansas showed this paperwork maze caused 18,000+ people to lose coverage even though 95% already met the requirements or qualified for exemptions. Arkansas spent $26.1 million just on administration with no increase in employment, and Georgia has spent over $40 million with 80% going to bureaucracy, not healthcare.

For rural hospitals, the bill cuts $58 billion in Medicaid funding over 10 years but only provides a $25 billion rural fund that covers less than half the losses. This puts 300+ rural hospitals at immediate risk of closure since they're already operating on thin margins.

For elderly people, the bill blocks nursing home staffing rules until 2034 and freezes home equity limits at $1 million permanently, plus adds more verification requirements.

The evidence shows these aren't about efficiency. They're about creating barriers that cost more money to administer than they save, while cutting care for people who already qualify.

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xp84 ◴[11 Jul 25 00:45 UTC] No.44527330{6}[source]▶
Why can't people without disabilities or dependents work 20 hours a week?
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postpawl ◴[11 Jul 25 00:59 UTC] No.44527399{7}[source]▶
It's not about whether they can work 20 hours. Most already do. Arkansas found 95% of people either met the requirements or qualified for exemptions, but 18,000+ still lost coverage due to the paperwork maze.

The requirements are designed to create barriers through bureaucracy. You have to report every month through a specific online portal, track your hours precisely, navigate exemption processes. Miss one monthly filing deadline and you lose healthcare. It's the most socially acceptable way to kick people off coverage without saying "we don't want poor people to have healthcare."

And it's not just work requirements. The bill also adds income verification twice a year instead of once, more asset checks, and cuts the actual funding. Each new hoop is another chance for eligible people to fall through the cracks. The goal is reducing enrollment through administrative friction, not promoting work.

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1. frumplestlatz ◴[11 Jul 25 01:53 UTC] No.44527693{8}[source]▶
The reporting requirements don’t seem particularly onerous.

It’s on those individuals to not “fall through the cracks” if they truly need our money to fund their healthcare — I don’t see the problem.

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2. postpawl ◴[11 Jul 25 02:41 UTC] No.44527954[source]▶
What's the point of making requirements even stricter if they cost more to administer than they save and don't increase employment? The Congressional Budget Office estimates 5.2 million people would lose coverage by 2034, with savings primarily coming from eligible people losing coverage due to paperwork barriers rather than increased employment.[1]

The new bill allows states to verify monthly instead of every three months, so people lose coverage faster. Even working people get tripped up because 43% of workers would fail to meet 80 hours in at least one month due to variable schedules common in low-wage jobs.[2] People with multiple jobs have to submit paystubs from each employer monthly. Seasonal workers and food service workers are especially vulnerable because their hours swing wildly due to factors beyond their control.

[1] https://ccf.georgetown.edu/2025/05/27/medicaid-and-chip-cuts...

[2] https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicaid-work-requireme...

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3. frumplestlatz ◴[11 Jul 25 03:12 UTC] No.44528091[source]▶
The cost of government subsidies isn’t in just the subsidies or the administrative overhead alone. It’s in training people to rely on the government, in effectively subsidizing employers that pay less than a living wage, etc.
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4. postpawl ◴[11 Jul 25 03:57 UTC] No.44528268{3}[source]▶
You're right that Medicaid subsidizes employers who pay poverty wages rely on taxpayers to provide healthcare for their workers instead of paying living wages themselves. But the solution isn't to eliminate Medicaid and leave workers with nothing. The solution is to raise the minimum wage or have universal healthcare so employers actually have to provide real benefits.

Most Medicaid recipients already work. They're not choosing dependency, they're working jobs that don't pay enough to afford healthcare. Taking away their healthcare doesn't suddenly make employers pay more, it just leaves workers desperate, which is exactly what those employers want.

You're essentially arguing we should eliminate the safety net that keeps our low-wage economy functioning. That would either force employers to pay living wages (unlikely) or create mass suffering among workers (more likely). Which outcome are you hoping for? Because right now it sounds like you'd rather have sick, desperate workers than challenge the employers who created this system.

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5. pseudalopex ◴[11 Jul 25 23:42 UTC] No.44537940{4}[source]▶
> Most Medicaid recipients already work.

And most who don't can't. You included them earlier but they're worthy to keep in mind.

6. xp84 ◴[12 Jul 25 18:42 UTC] No.44544064[source]▶
Seasonal workers are explicitly protected in the final bill as long as their average amount of work makes sense, so that argument is out.

Also, this "verify monthly" sounds like fearmongering. All I see is "requires individuals who are enrolled meet requirements for 1 or more months between the most recent eligibility redeterminations (at least twice per year)." Also: "Requires states to conduct eligibility redeterminations at least every 6 months for Medicaid expansion adults."

The Medicaid expansion is not everyone on Medicaid, just a subset who before expansion were presumed not to be entitled to a government subsidy since they don't have any dependents or any disability and could just work.

I do think it's probably not the worst thing if people who have no dependents or disability are motivated to go get a full-time job because it's kind of a hassle to have to prove eligibility.

The DNC is now advocating that taxpayers not only must pay for all the healthcare of people who don't want to work at all, but we also need to make it a maximally convenient experience. The reason Democrats keep losing elections is that they can't read the room -- most people who work and are not upper-middle-class levels of comfort don't like the emphasis on maximizing the comfort and convenience of groups like the voluntarily unemployed and undocumented immigrants when it comes at the expense of working taxpayers who follow the rules. This is why the Big Beautiful Bill passed: It actually throws a bone to people who work via things like tax breaks on overtime pay and tips, and via restoring the SALT exemption. Between these 3 policies, you can see a benefit to people across the wealth spectrum who share one thing in common: people who work hard. I know the Dems are still doing fine in rich areas, but there are two problems which are intertwined:

1. There aren't enough of those rich Democrats who just want to open the tax money spigot, the ones who wouldn't mind paying an extra $30,000 in taxes next year to put their money where their mouth is.

2. Even when there are enough to win, the rest of the population still pays most of the actual tax dollars and they are increasingly resentful of what they see as rich Democrats helping themselves (via the government) to everybody's money to bestow as favors on people who don't seem to need it. I know your heart is in the right place, but the policies are not connecting with the people, as evidenced by the fact that the Democrats keep losing ground among the non-wealthy working demographic (which, in the Democrat narrative, ought to be their strongest base).

Note: I certainly don't agree with everything in the "OBBB," but there are some good ideas in there.