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Rules of good writing (2007)

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raincole ◴[] No.44505200[source]
Surely. Then you check Paul Graham, whose writing is influential in the world of startup, and find most of them are very long. Arguably unnecessarily so.

Perhaps it's a tech startup thing? After all programmers are not famous for their refined literary taste. And then you check the few LitMag that people care enough to pay for even when the content is available for free, like Clarkesworld or BCS. Then you find sentences there are generally not crispy and short.

It turns out there aren't rules. All guidelines are contextual.

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1. treve ◴[] No.44505369[source]
PG is not influential because of his writing though. His name is what gets his writing circulated, so I'm not sure if it's a good couter example.
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2. tomhow ◴[] No.44505392[source]
He became well-known via his writing in the early-mid 00s; first his book about Lisp then his essays that became popular on Slashdot. His investing happened as a consequence of his writing.
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3. raincole ◴[] No.44505477[source]
The other way around.

Of course a lot of rich people got readers just because they're rich, but PG isn't the one of them.

4. gammarator ◴[] No.44506099[source]
His investing happened as a consequence of having available capital (and, certainty, forward-looking ideas about how to seed startups).

As to the writing, I think its influence (in terms of ideas) makes people overrate its stylistic quality. An enjoyable critique: https://idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm

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5. tptacek ◴[] No.44506151{3}[source]
Paul Graham had an audience before he was an investor, which is the point Tom was making. He didn't get famous because of Viaweb; he got famous as an eloquent smug lisp weenie.
6. tomhow ◴[] No.44506298{3}[source]
pg writes [1]:

YC grew out of a talk I gave to the Harvard Computer Society (the undergrad computer club) about how to start a startup. Everyone else in the audience was probably local, but Steve and Alexis came up on the train from the University of Virginia, where they were seniors. Since they'd come so far I agreed to meet them for coffee.

The talk he gave was How To Start A Startup [2]. The reason he was asked to give that talk was not because he had money, but because he was a Harvard CS alum who had built/sold a successful startup then spent the subsequent few years sharing his knowledge/ideas via books and essays.

The reason Steve knew about pg was that he had read/liked his Lisp book and read/liked his essays on Slashdot.

Money was a necessary but not sufficient condition for him to start YC. Nobody would have applied to YC if not for his books and essays.

[1] https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/the-reddits

[2] https://paulgraham.com/start.html

7. kragen ◴[] No.44506415[source]
Yes, PG is influential primarily because of his writing. He wrote On Lisp, which is still well-regarded today, before founding Viaweb. Viaweb itself did not make him well-known; there were many newly wealthy dot-com millionaires at the time, and he was just one of many, except that he wrote far more persuasive essays. At the time that I wrote https://paulgraham.com/redund.html we were discussing programming language design on a mailing list, and there was not yet any suggestion of a VC fund.

The reason he got into venture capital was that some of those essays urged ambitious young people to start startups, drawing on his own experience, and specifically to write SaaS software in Lisp, as he had. The Y Combinator fund came afterwards, and its dealflow came from the people who had been persuaded by those essays. That's why the first version of Reddit was written in Lisp.

If Y Combinator had not been successful, he would have remained well known for his essays.

Though some of his ideas were not correct, looking back, it is hard to name any other writer of persuasive essays of the past quarter century whose work has been similarly impactful, except perhaps Mencius Moldbug. Moldbug's work may turn out to be less impactful—I certainly hope it does—but it's too early to tell.

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8. fud101 ◴[] No.44507488[source]
Sorry but 'On Lisp' is not well regarded amongst common lispers at least. I don't fraternise with that group for over a decade, but they really disliked his general content.
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9. kragen ◴[] No.44509093{3}[source]
Have you seen any critiques of the book you can share?