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jedbrooke ◴[] No.44457031[source]
> This grain, formed from tiny particles during the film’s development, is more than just a visual effect. It plays a key role in storytelling by enhancing the film’s depth and contributing to its realism.

I never understood the “grain = realism” thing. my real eyes don’t have grain. I do appreciate the role of grain as an artistic tool though, so this is still cool tech

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sneak ◴[] No.44457732[source]
grain and 24fps and widescreen trigger certain contextual emotions around the movie-watching experience. remove them and your brain contextualizes the video very differently.

this is likely the result of ~100 years of film-based filmmaking and projection. hell, we still call it filmmaking.

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UltraSane ◴[] No.44457933[source]
Yes, it is only the result of familiarity. We could gradually increase the frame rate of movies made in a year by 1 fps per year and then no one would even notice after 24 years every new movie would be 48fps.
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sneak ◴[] No.44464634[source]
No, it would take a lot longer than that. You’re fighting 100 years of tradition.
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UltraSane ◴[] No.44465298[source]
You would notice 1 fps more per year?
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sneak ◴[] No.44465393[source]
no i will be watching 24fps films for the remainder of my life, which may be 40 more years. if all new films went up 1fps per year i would still go out to the movies in 20 years and be like “wtf is this crap?”

it would take a generation or more to eradicate this cultural context. casablanca is never going to be in 48fps.

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UltraSane ◴[] No.44468483[source]
That is a very very silly attitude.
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sneak ◴[] No.44475272[source]
It’s not an attitude, it’s the reality of the world we live in. Cinema and film has shaped our society for a century.
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UltraSane ◴[] No.44475343[source]
No. You are no different than someone refusing to watch color movies because they were in black and white initially.
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sneak ◴[] No.44475844[source]
Where did I refuse to watch anything? No amount of this attitude is going to make Casablanca or The Godfather or Pulp Fiction or Infinity War or Star Wars or Fight Club or 2001 or Top Gun be in any framerate other than 24fps.

If they start making films in higher frame rates today, that won’t change that fact. Do you think people are going to stop watching films from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s?

It would take a concerted effort, beginning now, at least an entire generation (30-50 years) to remove or reduce the cultural impact of the 24 frames per second widescreen tradition. No such effort is presently underway, because higher framerates don’t help movies’ visual storytelling, and they may hurt it.

The Hobbit was Peter Jackson’s attempt. It went nowhere.

https://gizmodo.com/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-masterclass-in-...

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UltraSane ◴[] No.44476330[source]
"no i will be watching 24fps films for the remainder of my life, which may be 40 more years. if all new films went up 1fps per year i would still go out to the movies in 20 years and be like “wtf is this crap?”"

The Hobbit looked great at 48fps. Higher FPS failed only because reactionary people as yourself irrationally rejected it because "it looks weird!".

You need to understand that 24fps is a compromise chosen to save film. It is the bare minimum frame rate to have smooth motion under most but not all circumstances. It really hurts action films because anything moving too fast has excessive motion blur.

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sneak ◴[] No.44494772[source]
If you think the purpose of consuming film is to trigger rational responses in people, I don’t know what to tell you.

Do you do the same thing for poetry or food, too?

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1. UltraSane ◴[] No.44495637[source]
Permanently rejecting faster frame rates for movies is like rejecting printed text in favor of handwritten manuscripts. You are rejecting a technological advance for extremely arbitrary reasons. If 23 or 25 or 30fps had become the standard you would be insisting that it was just as special.
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2. sneak ◴[] No.44499549[source]
That’s correct - because then we’d have 100 years of movies embedded in our collective cultural shared experiences that are 25 or 30fps.

The point is the cultural significance, not the specific framerate. The chosen framerate is now significant because of the body of work that has been done in that format, and the inextricable experience of that framerate with that body of work.

It is anything but arbitrary! It’s a very real thing. The tyranny of the installed base is a well-documented phenomenon. In this case the installed base is the fond memories of a few billion people. Pretending that they are all irrational for not wanting higher framerates is plainly objectively incorrect, as a point of fact.

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3. UltraSane ◴[] No.44502907[source]
So your basic thesis is that movies must always be 24fps because they have always been 24fps? Your mistaking familiarity with superiority.