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    393 points pyman | 13 comments | | HN request time: 1.191s | source | bottom
    1. pyman ◴[] No.44488595[source]
    These are the people shaping the future of AI? What happened to all the ethical values they love to preach about?

    We've held China accountable for counterfeiting products for decades and regulated their exports. So why should Anthropic be allowed to export their products and services after engaging in the same illegal activity?

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    2. lofaszvanitt ◴[] No.44489192[source]
    This is the underlying caste system coming to life right before your eyes :D.
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    3. stephenitis ◴[] No.44489481[source]
    I think caste system is the wrong analogy here.

    Comment is more about the pseudo ethical high ground

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    4. seydor ◴[] No.44490382[source]
    break things and move fast
    5. benjiro ◴[] No.44490618[source]
    One rule for you, one rule for me ...

    You never noticed the hypocrite behavior all over society?

    * O, you drunk drive, big fine, lots of trouble. * O, you drunk drive and are a senator, cop, mayor, ... Well, lets look the other way.

    * You have anger management issues and slam somebody to the ground. Jail time. * You as a cop have anger management issues and slams somebody to the ground. Well, paid time off while we investigate and maybe a reprimand. Qualified immunity boy!

    * You tax fraud for 10k, felony record, maybe jail time. * You as a exec of a company do tax fraud for 100 million. After 10 years lawyering around, maybe you get something, maybe, ... o, here is a fine of 5 million.

    I am sorry but the idea of everybody being equal under the law has always been a illusion.

    We are holding China accountable for counterfeiting products because it hurts OUR companies, and their income. But when its "us vs us", well, then it becomes a bit more messy and in general, those with the biggest backing (as in $$$, economic value, and lawyers), tends to win.

    Wait, if somebody steal my book, i can sue that person in court, and get a payout (lawyers will cost me more but that is not the point). If some AI company steals my book, well, the chance you win is close to 1%, simply because lots of well paid lawyers will make your winning hard to impossible.

    Our society has always been based upon power, wealth and influence. The more you have of it, the more you get away (or reduced) with things, that gets other fined or jailed.

    6. MangoToupe ◴[] No.44490844{3}[source]
    Companies being above the law does create a stratified system in this country for those who can benefit from said companies and those who cannot. Call it what you like.
    7. ffsm8 ◴[] No.44490938[source]
    > We've held China accountable for counterfeiting products for decades and regulated their exports

    We have? Are we from different multi-verses?

    The one I've lived in to date has not done anything against Chinese counterfeits beyond occasionally seizing counterfeit goods during import. But that's merely occasionally enforcing local counterfeit law, a far cry from punishing the entity producing it.

    As a matter of fact, the companies started outsourcing everything to China, making further IP theft and quasi-copies even easier

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    8. Workaccount2 ◴[] No.44491027[source]
    I was gonna say, the enforcement is so weak that it's not even really worth it to pursue consumer hardware here in the US. Make product that is a hit, patent it, and still 1 month later IYTUOP will be selling an identical copy for 1/3rd the price on Amazon.
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    9. delfinom ◴[] No.44491280{3}[source]
    Patent enforcement requires the patent holder to go after violators. The said thing is, there are grounds to sue Amazon facilitating it, just nobody has had the money to do it. And no big company ever will because of the threat of being locked out of AWS.

    It's quite the mafia operation over at Amazon.

    10. wmf ◴[] No.44491532[source]
    The unethical ones didn't buy any books.
    11. bmitc ◴[] No.44491587[source]
    Silicon Valley has always been the antithesis of ethics. It's foundations are much more right wing and libertarian, along the extremist lines.
    12. carlosjobim ◴[] No.44491613[source]
    Why is it unethical of them to use the information in all these books? They are clearly not reselling the books in any way, shape, or form. The information itself in a book can never be copyrighted. You can also publish and sell material where you quote other books within it.
    13. janalsncm ◴[] No.44496010[source]
    IP theft is one of the stated reasons for the trade war in the first place. It’s one of the major gripes the US has against China. There are limited means available to restrict a foreign country compared with an entity in the US. The DoJ did sue Huawei and win though.

    Whether or not the countermeasures have been effective in practice is a minor detail in the GP point that we would not expect an American company headquartered in the US and conducting significant business in the US to get away with the same thing.