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Huawei cloned Qwen and DeepSeek models, claimed as own

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114 points dworks | 6 comments | 06 Jul 25 16:26 UTC | HN request time: 0.2s | source | bottom
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tengbretson ◴[06 Jul 25 16:42 UTC] No.44482169[source]▶
In the LLM intellectual property paradigm, I think this registers as a solid "Who cares?" level offence.
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1. some_random ◴[06 Jul 25 16:56 UTC] No.44482275[source]▶
Claiming to care deeply about IP theft in the more nebulous case of model training datasets then dismissing the extremely concrete case of outright theft seems pretty indefensible to me.
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2. perching_aix ◴[06 Jul 25 17:07 UTC] No.44482363[source]▶
Par for the course for emotional thinking, I'm not even surprised anymore.
3. Arainach ◴[06 Jul 25 17:09 UTC] No.44482381[source]▶
Everyone has a finite amount of empathy, and I'm not going to waste any of mine on IP thieves complaining that someone stole their stolen IP from them.
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4. pton_xd ◴[06 Jul 25 17:29 UTC] No.44482529[source]▶
> dismissing the extremely concrete case of outright theft seems pretty indefensible to me.

Outright theft is a meaningless term here. The new rules are different.

The AI space is built on "traditionally" bad faith actions. Misappropriation of IP by using pirated content and ignoring source code licenses. Borderline malicious website scraping. Recitation of data without attribution. Copying model code / artifacts / weights is just the next most convenient course of action. And really, who cares? The ethical operating standards of the industry have been established.

5. mensetmanusman ◴[06 Jul 25 19:22 UTC] No.44483260[source]▶
It’s theft in the way taking a picture of nature that you had nothing to do with is theft.
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6. Arainach ◴[06 Jul 25 19:31 UTC] No.44483333{3}[source]▶
This line of argument was worn out and tired when 14 year olds on Napster were parroting it in 1999.