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Nvidia won, we all lost

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1. __turbobrew__ ◴[] No.44468824[source]
> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us.

I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets.

I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooom and then cry and outrage when they are exploited instead of just walking away and doing something else.

Same with magic the gathering, the game went to shit and so many people got outraged and in a big huff but they still spend thousands on the hobby. I just stopped playing mtg.

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2. frollogaston ◴[] No.44468885[source]
Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.
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3. rightbyte ◴[] No.44468938[source]
Steam's Wine thing works quite well. And yes you need to fiddle and do work arounds including giving up getting some games to work.
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4. frollogaston ◴[] No.44468942{3}[source]
Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that.

Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Gave up after stealing 4 different DLLs from Windows. It doesn't even have anticheat, it's just cause of some obscure math library.

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5. cosmic_cheese ◴[] No.44468950{3}[source]
Yeah Proton covers a lot of titles. It’s mainly games that use the most draconian forms of anticheat that don’t work.
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7. bob1029 ◴[] No.44469036[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games

My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it.

I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

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8. snackbroken ◴[] No.44469043[source]
Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste in games of course, but I'm not interested in competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat which appears to be the biggest remaining pain point.

My experience with running non-game windows-only programs has been similar over the past ~5 years. It really is finally the Year of the Linux Desktop, only few people seem to have noticed.

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9. mystified5016 ◴[] No.44469079{3}[source]
The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case.

I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..

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10. Finnucane ◴[] No.44469141[source]
Same here. I got mine five years ago when I needed to upgrade my workstation to do work-from-home, and it's been entirely adequate since then. I switched the CPU from an AMD 3900 to a 5900, but that's the only upgrade. The differences from one generation to the next are pretty marginal.
11. surgical_fire ◴[] No.44469146[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games

My main hobby is videogames, but since I can consistently play most games on Linux (that has good AMD support), it doesn't really matter.

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12. surgical_fire ◴[] No.44469156[source]
> It does sorta require Windows.

The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.

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13. mathiaspoint ◴[] No.44469164[source]
AMD isn't even bad at video games, it's just pytorch that doesn't work so well.
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14. surgical_fire ◴[] No.44469165{4}[source]
> Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that.

I literally never had to do that. Most tweaking I needed to do was switching proton versions here and there (which is trivial to do).

15. webstrand ◴[] No.44469177{4}[source]
I've been running opensuse+steam and I never had to tweak a dll to get a game running. Albeit that I don't exactly chase the latest AAA, the new releases that I have tried have worked well.

Age of empires 2 used to work well, without needing any babying, so I'm not sure why it didn't for you. I will see about spinning it up.

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16. leoapagano ◴[] No.44469201[source]
Same here - actually, my PC broke in early 2024 and I still haven't fixed it. I quickly found out that without gaming, I no longer have any use for my PC, so now I just do everything on my MacBook.
17. kyrra ◴[] No.44469208[source]
Frame per watt they aren't as good. But they are still decent.
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18. nicce ◴[] No.44469229[source]
> I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Same boat. I have 5700XT as well and since 2023, used mostly my Mac for gaming.

19. globalnode ◴[] No.44469267{4}[source]
good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.
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20. msgodel ◴[] No.44469270{3}[source]
TCO per FPS is almost certainly cheaper.
21. pshirshov ◴[] No.44469314[source]
PCI reset bug makes it necessary to upgrade to 6xxx series at least.
22. y-curious ◴[] No.44469321{3}[source]
It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?
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23. trynumber9 ◴[] No.44469447{3}[source]
They seem to be close? The RX 9070 is the 2nd most efficient graphics card this generation according to TechPowerUp and they also do well when limited to 60Hz, implying their joules per frame isn't bad either.

Efficiency: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o...

Vsync power draw: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o...

The variance within Nvidia's line-up is much larger than the variance between brands, anyway.

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24. __turbobrew__ ◴[] No.44469469[source]
Im a reformed gaming addict as well and mostly play games over 10 years old, and am happy to keep doing that.
25. docmars ◴[] No.44469578{4}[source]
The RX 9070XT goes toe-to-toe with the RTX 4080 in many benchmarks, and costs around 2/3 MSRP. I'd say that's a pretty big win!
26. JeremyNT ◴[] No.44470075{3}[source]
True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.
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27. Mars008 ◴[] No.44470321[source]
Still have 2080 RTX on primary desktop, it's more than enough for GUI.

Just got PRO 6000 96GB for models tuning/training/etc. The cheapest 'good enough' for my needs option.

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28. darkoob12 ◴[] No.44470357[source]
I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs.

I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

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29. PoshBreeze ◴[] No.44470371[source]
Nvidia is the high end, AMD is the mid segment and Intel is the low end. In reality I am playing 4K on HellDivers with 50-60FPS on a 6800XT.

Traditionally the NVIDIA drivers have been more stable on Windows than the AMD drivers. I choose an AMD card because I wanted a hassle free experience on Linux (well as much as you can).

30. proc0 ◴[] No.44470378{3}[source]
My hesitation is around high end settings, can Proton run 240hz on 1440p and high settings? I'm switching anyway soon and might just have a separate machine for gaming but I'd rather it be Linux. SteamOS looks promising if they release for PC.
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31. ErrorNoBrain ◴[] No.44470393[source]
ive used an amd card for a couple years

its been great. flawless in fact.

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32. PoshBreeze ◴[] No.44470436{3}[source]
It depends on the games you play and what you are doing. It is a mixed bag IME. If you are installing a game that is several years old it will work wonderfully. Most guides assume you have Arch Linux or are using one of the "gaming" distros like Bazzite. I use Debian (I am running Testing/Trixie RC on my main PC).

I play a lot of HellDivers 2. Despite what a lot of Linux YouTubers say. It doesn't work very well on Linux. The recommendations I got from people was to change distro. I do other stuff on Linux. Game slows down when you need it to be running smoothly doesn't matter what resolution/settings you set.

Anything with anti-cheat probably won't work very well if at all.

I also wanted to play the old Command and Conquer games. Getting the fan made patchers (not the games itself) to run properly that fix a bunch of bugs that EA/Westwood never fixed and mod support is more difficult than I cared to bother with.

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33. onli ◴[] No.44470440{4}[source]
Proton has often better performance than gaming under Windows - partly because Linux is faster - so sure it can run those settings.
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34. stodor89 ◴[] No.44470480[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy.

I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.

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35. theshackleford ◴[] No.44470542{5}[source]
Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization.

When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.

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36. esseph ◴[] No.44470553[source]
"it's just a fad"

Nah. Games will always be around.

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37. esseph ◴[] No.44470562[source]
Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.
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38. esseph ◴[] No.44470586{4}[source]
Fedora 42, Helldivers 2

Make sure to change your Steam launch options to:

PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=84 gamemoderun %command%

This will use gamemode to run it, give it priority, put the system in performance power mode, and will fix any pulse audio static you may be having. You can do this for any game you launch with steam, any shortcut, etc.

It's missing probably 15fps on this card between windows and Linux, and since it's above 100fps I really don't even notice.

It does seem to run a bit better under gnome with Variable Refresh Rate than KDE.

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39. whatevertrevor ◴[] No.44470598[source]
The games industry is now bigger than the movies industry. I think you're very wrong about this, as games are engaging in a way other consumption based media simply cannot replicate.
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40. klipklop ◴[] No.44470607[source]
You are certainly right that this group has little spending self-control. There is no limit just about to how abusive companies like Hasbro, Nvidia and Nintendo can be and still rake in record sales.

They will complain endlessly about the price of a RTX 5090 and still rush out to buy it. I know people that own these high end cards as a flex, but their lives are too busy to actually play games.

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41. senko ◴[] No.44470614[source]
> AMD GPUs aren't good enough.

Software. AMD has traditionally been really bad at their drivers. (They also missed the AI train and are trying to catch up).

I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.

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42. rewgs ◴[] No.44470640{3}[source]
> I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.

Err, what? While you're right about Intel integrated GPUs being a safe choice, AMD has long since been the GPU of choice for Linux -- it just works. Whereas Nvidia on Linux has been flaky for as long as I can remember.

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43. michaelmrose ◴[] No.44470651{4}[source]
They have never been flaky on the x11 desktop
44. padjo ◴[] No.44470666{3}[source]
I played video games since I was a teenager. Loved them, was obsessed with them. Then sometime around 40 I just gave up. Not because of life pressure or lack of time but because I just started to find them really boring and unfulfilling. Now I’d much rather watch movies or read. I don’t know if the games changed or I changed.
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45. datagram ◴[] No.44470709[source]
AMD cards are fine from a raw performance perspective, but Nvidia has built themselves a moat of software/hardware features like ray-tracing, video encoding, CUDA, DLSS, etc where AMD's equivalents have simply not been as good.

With their current generation of cards AMD has caught up on all of those things except CUDA, and Intel is in a similar spot now that they've had time to improve their drivers, so it's pretty easy now to buy a non-Nvidia card without feeling like you're giving anything up.

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46. SSLy ◴[] No.44470751{3}[source]
AMD RT is still slower than Nvidia's.
47. jezze ◴[] No.44470848{3}[source]
I have no experience of using it so I might be wrong but AMD has ROCm which has something called HIP that should be comparable to CUDA. I think it also has a way to automatically translate CUDA calls into HIP as well so it should work without the need to modify your code.
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48. senko ◴[] No.44470851{4}[source]
Had major problems with xinerama, suspend/resume, vsync, probably a bunch of other stuff.

That said, I've been avoiding AMD in general for so long the ecosystem might have really improved in the meantime, as there was no incentive for me to try and switch.

Recently I've been dabbling in AI where AMD GPUs (well, sw ecosystem, really) are lagging behind. Just wasn't worth the hassle.

NVidia hw, once I set it up (which may be a bit involved), has been pretty stable for me.

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49. StochasticLi ◴[] No.44470886{4}[source]
it's mostly about AI training at this point. the software for this only supports CUDA well.
50. ho_schi ◴[] No.44470887{3}[source]
This is wrong. For 14 years the recommendation on Linux is:

    * Purchase always AMD.      
    * Purchase never Nvidia.
    * Intel is also okay.
Because the AMD drivers are good and open-source. And AMD cares about bug reports. The one from Nvidia can and will create issues because they’re closed-source and avoided for years to support Wayland. Now Nvidia published source-code and refuses to merge it into Linux and Mesa facepalm

While Nvidia comes up with proprietary stuff AMD brought us Vulkan, FreeSync, supported Wayland well already with Implicit-Sync (like Intel) and used the regular Video-Acceleration APIs for long time.

Meanwhile Nvidia:

https://registry.khronos.org/OpenGL/extensions/NV/NV_robustn...

    It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

Their bad drivers still don’t handle simple actions like a VT-Switch or Suspend/Resume. If a developer doesn’t know about that extension the users suffer for years.

Okay. But that is probably only a short term solution? It is Nvidias short term solution since 2016!

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-Ubuntu-2025-SnR

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51. simion314 ◴[] No.44470902{4}[source]
>Err, what? While you're right about Intel integrated GPUs being a safe choice, AMD has long since been the GPU of choice for Linux -- it just works. Whereas Nvidia on Linux has been flaky for as long as I can remember.

Not OP, I had same experience in the past with AMD,I bought a new laptop and in 6 months the AMD decided that my card is obsolete and no longer provided drivers forcing me to be stuck with older kernel/X11 , so I switched to NVIDIA and after 2 PC changes I still use NVIDIA since the official drivers work great, I really hope AMD this time is putting the effort to keep older generations of cards working on latest kernels/X11 maybe next card will be AMD.

But this is an explanations why us some older Linux users have bad memories with AMD and we had good reason to switch over to NVIDIA and no good reason to switch back to AMD

52. PoshBreeze ◴[] No.44470925{5}[source]
I will be honest, I just gave up. I couldn't get consistent performance on HellDivers 2. Many of the things you have mentioned I've tried and found they don't make much of a difference or made things worse.

I did get it running nice for about a day and then an update was pushed and it ran like rubbish again. The game runs smoothly when initially running the map and then massive dip in frames for several seconds. This is usually when one of the bugs is jumping at you.

This game may work better on Fedora/Bazzite or <some other distro> but I find Debian to be super reliable and don't want to switch distro. I also don't like Fedora generally as I've found it unreliable in the past. I had a look at Bazzite and I honestly just wasn't interested. This is due to it having a bunch of technologies that I have no interest in using.

There are other issues that are tangential but related issues.

e.g.

I normally play on Super HellDive with other players in a Discord VC. Discord / Pipewire seems to reset my sound for no particular reason and my Plantronics Headset Mic (good headset, not some gamer nonsense) will be not found. This requires a restart of pipewire/wireplumber and Discord (in that order). This happens often enough I have a shell script alias called "fix_discord".

I have weird audio problems on HDMI (AMD card) thanks to a regression in the kernel (Kernel 6.1 with Debian worked fine).

I could mess about with this for ages and maybe get it working or just reboot into Windows which takes me all of a minute.

It is just easier to use Windows for Gaming. Then use Linux for work stuff.

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53. immibis ◴[] No.44471041[source]
Fortunately for your business model, there's a constant stream of new people to replace the ones who are aging out. But you have to make sure your product is appealing to them, not just to the same people who bought it last decade.
54. surgical_fire ◴[] No.44471135{4}[source]
If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway.

And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.

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55. npteljes ◴[] No.44471156[source]
What I experienced is that AI is a nightmare on AMD in Linux. There is a myriad of custom things that one needs to do, and even that just breaks after a while. Happened so much on my current setup (6600 XT) that I don't bother with local AI anymore, because the time investment is just not worth it.

It's not that I can't live like this, I still have the same card, but if I were looking to do anything AI locally with a new card, for sure it wouldn't be an AMD one.

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56. esseph ◴[] No.44471172{6}[source]
I used Debian for about 15 years.

Honestly? Fedora is really the premier Linux distro these days. It's where the most the development is happening, by far.

All of my hardware, some old, some brand new (AMD card), worked flawlessly out of the box.

There was a point when you couldn't get me to use an rpm-based distro if my life depended on it. That time is long gone.

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57. whatevertrevor ◴[] No.44471259{4}[source]
I get that, I go through periods of falling in and out of them too after having grown up with them. But there is a huge fraction of my age group (and a little older) that have consistently had games as their main "consumption" hobby throughout.

And then there's the age group younger than me, for whom games are not only a hobby but also a "social place to be", I doubt they'll be dropping gaming entirely easily.

58. eden-u4 ◴[] No.44471354{3}[source]
I don't have much experience with ROCm for large trainings, but NVIDIA is still shit with driver+cuda version+other things. The only simplification is due to ubuntu and other distros that already do the heavy lift by installing all required components, without much configuration.
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59. PoshBreeze ◴[] No.44471433{7}[source]
I don't want to use Fedora. Other than I've found it unreliable I switched to Debian because I was fed up of all the Window-isms/Corporate stuff in the distro that was enabled by default that I was trying to get away from.

It the same reason I don't want to use Bazzite. It misses the point of using a Linux/Unix system altogether.

I also learned a long time ago Distro Hopping doesn't actually fix your issues. You just end up either with the same issues or different ones. If I switched from Debian to Fedora, I suspect I would have many of the same issues.

e.g. If a issue is in the Linux kernel itself such as HDMI Audio on AMD cards having random noise, I fail to see how changing from one distro to another would help. Fedora might have a custom patch to fix this, however I could also take this patch and make my own kernel image (which I've done in the past btw).

The reality is that most people doing development for various project / packages that make the Linux desktop don't have the setup I have and some of the peculiarities I am running into. If I had a more standard setup, I wouldn't have an issue.

Moreover, I would be using FreeBSD/OpenBSD or some other more traditional Unix system and ditch Linux if I didn't require some Linux specific applications. I am considering moving to something like Artix / Devuan in the future if I did decide to switch.

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60. tankenmate ◴[] No.44471442{4}[source]
`I think it also has a way to automatically translate CUDA calls`

I suspect the thing you're referring to is ZLUDA[0], it allows you to run CUDA code on a range of non NVidia hardware (for some value of "run").

[0] https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA

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61. duckmysick ◴[] No.44471458[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy.

I'd really love to try AMD as a daily driver. For me CUDA is the showstopper. There's really nothing comparable in the AMD camp.

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62. tankenmate ◴[] No.44471472{5}[source]
I run llama.cpp using Vulkan and AMD CPUs, no need to install any drivers (or management software for that matter, nor any need to taint the kernel meaning if I have an issue it's easy to get support). For example the other day when a Mesa update had an issue I had a fix in less than 36 hours (without any support contract or fees) and `apt-mark hold` did a perfect job until there was a fix. Performance for me is within a couple of % points, and with under-volting I get better joules per token.
63. duckmysick ◴[] No.44471484{6}[source]
What works for me is having different Activities/Workspaces in KDE - they have different wallpapers, pinned programs in the taskbar, the programs themselves launch only in a specific Activity. I hear others also use completely different user accounts.
64. tankenmate ◴[] No.44471493{4}[source]
I run 9070s (non XT) and in combination with under-volting it is very efficient in both joules per frame and joules per token. And in terms of purchase price it was a steal compared to similar class of NVidia cards.
65. kevincox ◴[] No.44471592[source]
I'm not saying that these companies aren't charging "fair" prices (whatever that means) but for many hardcore gamers their spending per hour is tiny compared to other forms of entertainment. They may buyba $100 game and play to for over 100 hours. Maybe add another $1/hour for the console. Compared to someone who frequents the cinema goes to the pub or does many other common hobbies and it can be hard to say that games are getting screwed.

Now it is hard to draw a straight comparison. Gamers may spend a lot more time playing so $/h isn't a perfect metric. And some will frequently buy new games or worse things like microtransactions which quickly skyrocket the cost. But overall it doesn't seem like the most expensive hobby, especially if you are trying to spend less.

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66. flohofwoe ◴[] No.44471685[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games

...and even if you're all in on video games, there's a massive amount of really brilliant indie games on Steam that run just fine on a 1070 or 2070 (I still have my 2070 and haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet).

67. ThatPlayer ◴[] No.44471694[source]
Put Linux on it, and you can even run software raytracing on it for games like Indiana Jones! It'll do something like ~70 fps medium 1080p IIRC.

No mesh shader supports though. I bet more games will start using that soon

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68. msgodel ◴[] No.44471717{4}[source]
Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?
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69. npteljes ◴[] No.44471743{4}[source]
Oh I'm sure. The thing is that with AMD I have the same luxury, and the wretched thing still doesn't work, or has regressions.
70. delusional ◴[] No.44471758[source]
ROCM is, to some degree and in some areas, a pretty decent alternative. Developing with it is often times a horrible experience, but once something works, it works fine.
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71. xg15 ◴[] No.44471784[source]
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy.

I'm with you - in principle. Capital-G "Gamers" who turned gaming into an identity and see themselves as the real discriminated group have fully earned the ridicule.

But I think where the criticism is valid is how NVIDIA's behavior is part of the wider enshittification trend in tech. Lock-in and overpricing in entertainment software might be annoying but acceptable, but it gets problematic when we have the exact same trends in actually critical tech like phones and cars.

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72. reissbaker ◴[] No.44471811[source]
I want to love AMD, but they're just... mediocre. Worse for gaming, and much worse for ML. They're better-integrated into Linux, but given that the entire AI industry runs on:

1. Nvidia cards

2. Hooked up to Linux boxes

It turns out that Nvidia tends to work pretty well on Linux too, despite the binary blob drivers.

Other than gaming and ML, I'm not sure what the value of spending much on a GPU is... AMD is just in a tough spot.

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73. josephg ◴[] No.44471817{4}[source]
I've been using a 4090 on my linux workstation for a few years now. Its mostly fine - with the occasional bad driver version randomly messing things up. I'm using linux mint. Mint uses X11, which, while silly, means suspend / resume works fine.

NVIDIA's drivers also recently completely changed how they worked. Hopefully that'll result in a lot of these long term issues getting fixed. As I understand it, the change is this: The nvidia drivers contain a huge amount of proprietary, closed source code. This code used to be shipped as a closed source binary blob which needed to run on your CPU. And that caused all sorts of problems - because its linux and you can't recompile their binary blob. Earlier this year, they moved all the secret, proprietary parts into a firmware image instead which runs on a coprocessor within the GPU itself. This then allowed them to - at last - opensource (most? all?) of their remaining linux driver code. And that means we can patch and change and recompile that part of the driver. And that should mean the wayland & kernel teams can start fixing these issues.

In theory, users shouldn't notice any changes at all. But I suspect all the nvidia driver problems people have been running into lately have been fallout from this change.

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74. imtringued ◴[] No.44471876{4}[source]
You're not supposed to "steal DLLs".

You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.

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75. jorams ◴[] No.44471900{3}[source]
> I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs

The situation completely changed with the introduction of the AMDGPU drivers integrated into the kernel. This was like 10 years ago.

Before then the AMD driver situation on Linux was atrocious. The open source drivers performed so bad you'd get better performance out of Intel integrated graphics than an expensive AMD GPU, and their closed source drivers were so poorly updated you'd have to downgrade the entire world for the rest of your software to be compatible. At that time Nvidia was clearly ahead, even though the driver needs to be updated separately and they invented their own versions of some stuff.

With the introduction of AMDGPU and the years after that everything changed. AMD GPUs now worked great without any effort, while Nvidia's tendency to invent their own things really started grating. Much of the world started moving to Wayland, but Nvidia refused to support some important common standards. Those that really wanted their stuff to work on Nvidia had to introduce entirely separate code paths for it, while other parts of the landscape refused to do so. This started improving again a few years ago, but I'm not aware of the current state because I now only use Intel and AMD hardware.

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76. pixelesque ◴[] No.44471924{3}[source]
> but once something works, it works fine.

Is there "forwards compatibility" to the same code working on the next cards yet like PTX provided Nvidia?

Last time (4 years ago?) I looked into ROCM, you seemed to have to compile for each revision of each architecture.

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77. quicksilver03 ◴[] No.44472122{4}[source]
The AMD drivers are open source, but they definitely are not good. Have a look at the Fedora discussion forums (for example https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-does-not-boot-... ) to see what happens about each month.

I have no NVIDIA hardware, but I understand that the drivers are even worse than AMD's.

Intel seems to be, at the moment, the least worse compromise between performance and stability,

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78. dgellow ◴[] No.44472146[source]
> when they are exploited instead of just walking away and doing something else.

You don’t even have to walk away. You pretty much never need the latest GPUs to have a great gaming experience

79. nirv ◴[] No.44472157{5}[source]
No browser on Linux supports any other backend for video acceleration except VAAPI, as far as I know. AMD and Intel use VAAPI, while Nvidia uses VDPAU, which is not supported anywhere. This single fact means that with Nvidia graphics cards on Linux, there isn't even such a simple and important feature for users as video decoding acceleration in the browser. Every silly YouTube video will use CPU (not iGPU, but CPU) to decode video, consuming resources and power.

Yes, there are translation layers[1] which you have to know about and understand how to install correctly, which partially solve the problem by translating from VAAPI to NVDEC, but this is certainly not for the average user.

Hopefully, in the future browsers will add support for the new Vulkan Video standard, but for now, unfortunately, one has to hardcode the browser launch parameters in order to use the integrated graphics chip's driver (custom XDG-application file for AMD APU in my case: ~/.local/share/applications/Firefox-amdgpu.desktop): `Exec=env LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=radeonsi DRI_PRIME=0 MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=0 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=radeons i /usr/bin/firefox-beta %u`.

[1] https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver/

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80. dgellow ◴[] No.44472240{3}[source]
Off-topic: micro transactions are just digital transactions. There is nothing micro about them. I really wish that term would just die
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81. Almondsetat ◴[] No.44472280{4}[source]
AMD "has" ROCm just like Intel "has" AVX-512
82. whatevaa ◴[] No.44472309{4}[source]
Consumer card ROCm support is straight up garbage. CUDA support project was also killed.

AMD doesn't care about consumers anymore either. All the money in AI.

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83. whatevaa ◴[] No.44472332{6}[source]
VAAPI support in browsers is also bad and oftenly requires some forcing.

On my Steam deck, I have to use vulkan. AV1 decoder is straight up buggy, have to disable it with config or extensions.

84. artursapek ◴[] No.44472400[source]
I just learned MTG this year because my 11 year old son got into it. I like it. How did it “go to shit”?
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85. homebrewer ◴[] No.44472448{4}[source]
I have zero sympathy for Nvidia and haven't used their hardware for about two decades, but amdgpu is the sole reason I stick to linux-lts kernels. They introduce massive regressions into every mainline release, even if I delay kernel updates by several minor versions (to something like x.y.5), it's still often buggy and crashy.

They do care about but reports, and their drivers — when given time to stabilize — provide the best experience across all operating systems (easy updates, etc), but IME mainline kernels should be treated as alpha-to-beta material.

86. homebrewer ◴[] No.44472472{5}[source]
They opened a tiny kernel level sliver of their driver, everything else (including OpenGL stack et al) is and will still be closed.

Sadly, a couple of years ago someone seriously misunderstood the news about "open sourcing" their drivers and spread that misunderstanding widely; many people now think their whole driver stack is open, when in reality it's like 1% of the code — the barest minimum they could get away with (I'm excluding GSP code here).

The real FOSS driver is Nova, and it's driven by the community with zero help from Nvidia, as always.

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87. homebrewer ◴[] No.44472519{5}[source]
> I've been avoiding AMD in general

I have no opinion on GPUs (I don't play anything released later than about 2008), but Intel CPUs have had more problems over the last five years than AMD, including disabling the already limited support for AVX-512 after release and simply burning themselves to the ground to get an easy win in initial benchmarks.

I fear your perception of their products is seriously out of date.

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88. sunnybeetroot ◴[] No.44472555{3}[source]
I don’t think a reformed gaming addict wants to be tempted with another game :P
89. nozzlegear ◴[] No.44472586[source]
The only video game I've played with any consistency is World of Warcraft, which runs natively on my Mac. Combined with Rider for my .NET work, I couldn't be happier with this machine.
90. sfn42 ◴[] No.44472615{3}[source]
Same. Bought a 6950xt for like $800ish or something like that a few years ago and it's been perfect. Runs any game I want to play on ultra 1440p with good fps. No issues.

Maybe there's a difference for the people who buy the absolute top end cards but I don't. I look for best value and when I looked into it amd looked better to me. Also got an amd CPU which has aso been great.

91. stodor89 ◴[] No.44472651{3}[source]
Of course they will. People play since before they were people.
92. MangoToupe ◴[] No.44472705{5}[source]
> AMD doesn't care about consumers anymore either. All the money in AI.

I mean, this also describes the quality of NVIDIA cards. And their drivers have been broken for the last two decades if you're not using windows.

93. senko ◴[] No.44472738{6}[source]
> I fear your perception of their products is seriously out of date.

How's the chipset+linux story these days? That was the main reason for not choosing AMD CPU for me the last few times I was in the market.

94. zaneyard ◴[] No.44472900[source]
If you don't care about competitive balance or the "identity" of magic it probably didn't.

Long answer: the introduction of non-magic sets like SpongeBob SquarePants, Deadpool, or Assassin's Creed are seen as tasteless money grabs that dilute the quality and theme of magic even further, but fans of those things will scoop them up.

The competitive scene has been pretty rough, but I haven't played constructed formats in a while so I'm not as keyed into this. I just know that there have been lots of cards released recently that have had to be banned for how powerful they were.

Personally, I love the game, but I hate the business model. It's ripe for abuse and people treat cards like stocks to invest in.

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95. MegaDeKay ◴[] No.44472911{4}[source]
I use the amdgpu driver and my luck has not been as good as yours. Can't sleep my PC without having it wake up to fill my logs with spam [0] and eventually crash.

Then there is the (in)famous AMD reset bug that makes AMD a real headache to use with GPU passthrough. The card can't be properly reset when the VM shuts down so you have to reboot the PC to start the VM a second time. There are workarounds but they only work on some cards & scenarios [1] [2]. This problem goes back to around the 390 series cards so they've had forever to properly implement reset according to the pci spec but haven't. nvidia handles this flawlessly

[0] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/3911

[1] https://github.com/gnif/vendor-reset

[2] https://github.com/inga-lovinde/RadeonResetBugFix

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96. Cthulhu_ ◴[] No.44472918[source]
AMD GPU's are fine, but nvidia's marketing (overt and covert / word-of-mouth) is better. "RTX On" is a meme where people get convinced the graphics are over 9000x "better"; it's a meaningless marketing expression but a naive generation of fairly new PC gamers are eating it up.

And... they don't need to. Most of the most played video games on PC are all years old [0]. They're online multiplayer games that are optimized for average spec computers (and mobile) to capture as big a chunk of the potential market as possible.

It's flexing for clout, nothing else to it. And yet, I can't say it's anything new, people have been bragging, boasting and comparing their graphics cards for decades.

[0] https://activeplayer.io/top-15-most-popular-pc-games-of-2022...

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97. proc0 ◴[] No.44472934{5}[source]
Interesting, thanks.
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98. roenxi ◴[] No.44473052{5}[source]
Although you get to set your own standards "A bug was discovered after upgrading software" isn't very illuminating vis a vis quality. That does happen from time to time in most software.

In my experience an AMD card on linux is a great experience unless you want to do something AI related, in which case there will be random kernel panics (which, in all fairness, may one day go away - then I'll be back on AMD cards because their software support on Linux was otherwise much better than Nvidia's). There might be some kernel upgrades that should be skipped, but using an older kernel is no problem.

99. smallmancontrov ◴[] No.44473140{5}[source]
For an extremely flexible value of "run" that you would be extremely unwise to allow anywhere near a project whose success you have a stake in.
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100. akimbostrawman ◴[] No.44473216{4}[source]
multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work

areweanticheatyet.com

101. phronimos ◴[] No.44473307{3}[source]
Are you referring to AI training, prediction/inference, or both? Could you give some examples for what had to be done and why? Thanks in advance.
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102. FredPret ◴[] No.44473336{3}[source]
I set up a deep learning station probably 5-10 years ago and ran into the exact same issue. After a week of pulling out my hair, I just bought an Nvidia card.
103. keyringlight ◴[] No.44473432{3}[source]
One thing I wonder about is whether PC gaming is splitting into two distinct tiers, high end for those with thousands to spend on their rig and studios who are pathfinders (id, Remedy, 4A, etc) in graphics, then the wider market for cheaper/older systems and studios going for broad appeal. I know the market isn't going to be neatly divided and more of a blurry ugly continuum.

The past few years (2018 with the introduction of RT and upscaling reconstruction seems as good a milestone as any) feel like a transition period we're not out of yet, similar to the tail end of the DX9/Playstation3/Xbox360 era when some studios were moving to 64bit and DX11 as optional modes, almost like PC was their prototyping platform for when they made completed the jump with PS4/Xbox one and more mature PC implementations. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes more years and titles built targeting the next generation consoles before it's all settled.

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104. FredPret ◴[] No.44473520{4}[source]
I’m an ex-gamer, but I remember games in the 90’s and earlier 00’s being much more respecting of one’s time.

You could still sink a ton of time into it if you wanted do, but you could also crank out a decent amount of fun in 5-15 minutes.

Recently games seem to have been optimized to maximize play time rather than for fun density.

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105. npteljes ◴[] No.44473522{4}[source]
Sure! I'm referring to setting up a1111's stable diffusion webui, and setting up Open WebUI.

Wrt/ a1, it worked at one point (a year ago) after 2-3 hours of tinkering, then regressed to not working at all, not even from fresh installs on new, different Linuxes. I tried the main branch and the AMD specific fork as well.

Wrt/ Open WebUI, it works, but the thing uses my CPU.

106. onli ◴[] No.44473524{6}[source]
:) To give a source, https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/betriebssysteme/welche-l... is one. There was a more recent article the search is not showing me now.
107. scarface_74 ◴[] No.44473527[source]
And even if you ignore AMD, most PCs being sold are cheap computers using whatever integrated hardware Intel is selling for graphics.
108. __turbobrew__ ◴[] No.44473562[source]
Don’t let my opinion affect you, MTG is still a fun game and you should do that if you find it enjoyable — especially if your son likes it. But here is why I had a falling out:

1. The number of sets per year increased too much, there are too many cards being printed to keep up

2. Cards from new sets are pushed to be very strong (FIRE design) which means that the new cards are frequently the best cards. Combine this with the high number of new sets means the pool of best cards is always churning and you have to constantly be buying new cards to keep up.

3. Artificial scarcity in print runs means that the best cards in the new sets are very expensive. We are talking about cardboard here, it isn’t hard to simply print more sheets of a set.

4. The erosion of the brand identity and universe. MTG used to have a really nicely curated fantasy universe and things meshed together well. Now we have spongebob, deadpool, and a bunch of others in the game. It like if you put spongebob in the star wars universe, it just ruins the texture of the game.

5. Print quality of cards went way down. Older cards actually have better card stock than the new stuff.

6. Canadians MTG players get shafted. When a new set is printed stores get allocations of boxes (due to the artificial scarcity) and due to the lower player count in Canada, usually Canadian stores get much lower allocations than their USA counterparts. Additionally, MTG cards get double tariffs as they get printed outside of the USA, imported into the USA and tariffed, and then imported into Canada and tariffed again. I think the cost of MTG cards when up like 30-40% since global trade war.

Overall it boils down to hasbro turning the screws on players to squeeze more money, and I am just not having it. I already spent obscene amounts of money on the game before this all happened.

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109. wredcoll ◴[] No.44473655[source]
A significant part of the vocal "gamers" is about being "the best" which translates into gpu benchmarking.

You don't get headlines and hype by being an affordable way to play games at a decent frame rate, you achieve it by setting New Fps Records.

110. notnullorvoid ◴[] No.44473828[source]
If I hadn't bought a 3090 when they were 1k new, I likely would've switched back onto the AMD train by now.

So far there hasn't been enough of a performance increase for me to upgrade either for gaming or ML. Maybe AMDs rumored 9090 will be enough to get me to open my wallet.

111. witnessme ◴[] No.44473856[source]
Couldn't agree more
112. tankenmate ◴[] No.44473933{6}[source]
To quote "The Dude"; "Well ... ummm ... that's ... ahh ... just your opinion man". There are people who are successfully running it in production, but of course depending on your code, YMMV.
113. int_19h ◴[] No.44474569{4}[source]
On Ubuntu, in my experience, installing the .deb version of the CUDA toolkit pretty much "just works".
114. fireflash38 ◴[] No.44474597[source]
It's because it's part and parcel of their identity. Being able to play the latest games, often with their friends, is critical to their social networks.
115. eptcyka ◴[] No.44474660{5}[source]
I was under the impression that nvidia just didn't let consumer cards do GPU passthrough.
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116. const_cast ◴[] No.44475020[source]
Price-per-price AMD typically has better rasterization performance in comparison to nvidia. The only price point where this doesn't hold true is the very tippy top, which, I think, most people aren't at. Nvidia does have DLSS which I hear is quite good these days. But I know for me personally, I just try to buy the GPU with the best rasterization performance at my price point, which is always AMD.
117. int_19h ◴[] No.44475287[source]
Parallels is great for running Windows software on Mac. Ironically, what with the Microsoft push for Windows on ARM, increasingly more Windows software gets native ARM64 builds which are great for Parallels on Apple Silicon. And Visual Studio specifically is one of those.
118. int_19h ◴[] No.44475313{5}[source]
I would strongly disagree. If anything, it's the other way around - a typical 90s game had a fairly steep learning curve. Often no tutorials whatsoever, difficulty could be pretty high from the get go, players were expected to essentially learn through trial and error and failing a lot. Getting familiar enough with the game mechanics to stop losing all the time would often take a while, and could be frustrating while it lasted.

These days, AAA games are optimized for "reduced friction", which in practice usually means dumbing down the mechanics and the overall gameplay to remove everything that might annoy or frustrate the player. I was playing Avowed recently and the sheer amount of convenience features (e.g. the entire rest / fast travel system) was boggling.

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119. jabwd ◴[] No.44475318{3}[source]
Is this like a computational + memory need? Otherwise one would think something like the framework desktop or a mac mini would be a better choice right?
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120. jabwd ◴[] No.44475335{3}[source]
What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.
121. delusional ◴[] No.44475461{4}[source]
I'm decently sure you have to compile separately for each architecture, and if you elect to compile for multiple architectures up front, you'll have excruciating compile times. You'd think that would be annoying, but it ends up not really mattering since AMD completely switches out the toolchain about every graphics generation anyway. That's not a good reason to not have forwards compatibility, but it is a reason.

The reason I'm not completely sure is because I'm just doing this as a hobby, and I only have a single card, and that single card has never seen a revision. I think that's generally the best way to be happy with ROCM. Accept that it's at the abstraction level of embedded programming, any change in the hardware will have to result in a change in the software.

122. pjmlp ◴[] No.44475472{4}[source]
The open source driver for the Netboooks APU was never as good as either the Windows version, or the closed source that predated it.

Lesser OpenGL version, and I never managed to have hardware accelerated video until it died last year.

123. pjmlp ◴[] No.44475494{6}[source]
I never managed to get it working on my Netbook APU.
124. hadlock ◴[] No.44475714{3}[source]
> 1. The number of sets per year increased too much, there are too many cards being printed to keep up

My local shop has an entire wall of the last ~70 sets, everything from cyberpunk ninjas to gentlemen academic fighting professors to steampunk and everything in between. I think they are releasing ~10 sets per year on average? 4 main ones and then a bunch of effectively novelty ones. I hadn't been in a store in years (most of my stuff is 4th edition from the late 1990s) I did pull the trigger on the Final Fantasy novelty set recently though, for nostalgia's sake.

But yeah it's overwhelming, as a kid I was used to a new major set every year and a half or so with a handful of new cards. 10 sets a year makes it feel futile to participate.

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125. kassner ◴[] No.44475749[source]
Steam+Proton has been so incredibly good in the last year that I’m yet to install Windows on my gaming PC. I really do recommend anyone to try out that option first.
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126. artursapek ◴[] No.44476061{4}[source]
“There’s an infinite amount of cash at the Federal Reserve”
127. artursapek ◴[] No.44476066{3}[source]
yeah I hate that Lego has been doing this too. most new sets are co-branded garbage.
128. phatfish ◴[] No.44476131{4}[source]
Once the "path tracing" that the current top end Nvidia cards can pull off reaches mainstream it will settle down. The PS6 isn't going to be doing path tracing because the hardware for that is being decided now. I'd guess PS7 time frame. It will take console level hardware pricing to bring the gaming GPU prices down.

I understand the reason for moving to real time ray-tracing. It is much easier for development, and apparently the data for baked/pre-rendered lighting in these big open worlds was getting out of hand. Especially with multiple time-of-day passes.

But, it is only the "path tracing" that top end Nvidia GPUs can do that matches baked lighting detail.

The standard ray-tracing in the latest Doom for instance has a very limited number of entities that actually emit light in a scene. I guess there is the main global illumination source, but many of the extra lighting details in the scene don't emit light. This is a step backward compared to baked lighting.

Even shots from the plasma weapon don't cast any light into the scene with the standard ray-tracing, which Quake 3 was doing.

129. AngryData ◴[] No.44476308[source]
I am a gamer, and I don't understand why everyone flocks to Nvidia either unless they are buying the newest flagship card. Maybe just because "the best card" is from Nvidia so many assume Nvidia must be the best for everyone? For multiple generations ive gotten better card for my dollar at any "mid-tier" gaming level with AMD, and have had zero complaints.
130. nobodyandproud ◴[] No.44476633[source]
I couldn’t be more pleased with my 7900xt 20gb.

Running most inference models (quantized of course) via Vulkan. Playing games using Wine and/or Steam+Proton on Linux.

Sweet spot in price.

131. michaelmrose ◴[] No.44476819{6}[source]
I believe this is correct. Linux drivers and support duration were garbage at least 2003-2015. AMD fanboys feveretly expressed opinions notwithstanding. Especially so when AMD started the process of open sourcing their drivers even though many chips already existing didn't qualify for the new upcoming open source drivers. 2015-2018 drivers were acceptable but performance was poorer than Nvidia and wayland support wasn't a notable for most parties.

Now wayland support is an important factor and AMD is a perfectly acceptable and indeed economical choice.

Basically 15 years inertia is hard to counter.

132. a2tech ◴[] No.44476997{3}[source]
What’s the gaming industry look like when you remove mobile gaming from the equation?
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133. surgical_fire ◴[] No.44477071{3}[source]
Also, I've been using Lutris to install things from GoG or even standalone games. Pretty straight forward to manage what proton version to use for each there.

After 3 years, I haven't missed Windows a single day.

134. Mars008 ◴[] No.44477114{4}[source]
I need both compute and memory. Video/image processing models take a lot in training. And the bigger the better at these sizes. So it will run trainings for weeks nonstop.
135. latentcall ◴[] No.44478121{3}[source]
Can’t you just print cards on a laser printer and use those
136. hot_gril ◴[] No.44478297{4}[source]
Probably called that because it's smaller than the transaction of buying the game
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137. hot_gril ◴[] No.44478314[source]
There's nothing annoying about Nvidia cards though, unless of course you're using Linux.
138. ◴[] No.44478320{3}[source]
139. padjo ◴[] No.44478481{5}[source]
I don’t think it’s the time aspect. I think that on average movies and books offer far more insightful commentary on life and tell more interesting stories. That and the video game world is just less engaging than reality. Like in a video game I have to run everywhere and need to be hitting things with a sword constantly to not get bored, while in reality a walk in nature on a trail I’ve walked 100 times before is an enjoyable experience that will leave me physically and mentally in a much better place than sitting on the couch for hours.
140. stodor89 ◴[] No.44478483{3}[source]
"Game industry" is an umbrella term for 100 different things. I can't for the life of me figure out in what sense I and the FIFA devs are part of the same industry. There's no knowledge, or skills, or audience, or marketing strategies, that would transfer from one to the other.
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141. whatevertrevor ◴[] No.44478559{4}[source]
Depends on who you believe, some sources claim mobile gaming is 20% of the market by revenue, others say 50%.
142. whatevertrevor ◴[] No.44478600{4}[source]
I'm not sure I understand the point you're making. I'm trying to say games aren't becoming niche any time soon. Of course I'm going to use the umbrella term to say that? Yeah there are many sub-segments, arguably many more than say movies, but that only strengthens my argument. It can cater to so many different sort of audiences.

> more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies

This is what I'm arguing against, more and more people will realize exactly what sort of games they like and home in on that is a much more likely scenario.

And just in case your point is that games used to be more engaging and fresh, well, Indie games exist. So many games are doing many new things, or fusing existing genres into something fresh. There's a lot more variety to be had in games than most other media.

143. whatevertrevor ◴[] No.44478615{6}[source]
Yeah it's mostly nostalgia and selection bias speaking. Easy to remember all the flaws of games you have played recently and compare them to the handful of classics you can remember from the 90s.

There was so so so much trial and error in games in the 90s, with some you basically had to press different inputs to even figure out what does what. No QoL features, really poor save systems that forced you to play the same section over and over, terrible voice acting, crappy B-movie plotlines (this hasn't changed that much tbf but there are some amazingly written games too at least to somewhat counterbalance that) etc.

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144. dgellow ◴[] No.44478927{5}[source]
You would think so, but that’s not how the term has been used for over a decade. It has always been a marketing tool. Any in game transaction is called micro transactions. For what it’s worth most games with so called micro transactions are free. Look at https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects, 100 coins is $10. there is nothing „micro“ about those prices
145. Bratmon ◴[] No.44479276[source]
AMD GPUs are 5 years behind Nvidia. But that logically means that if you thought Nvidia graphics looked fine in 2020, you'll think AMD graphics look fine now.
146. Bratmon ◴[] No.44479284{4}[source]
If you're mad that the etymology of "microtransaction" doesn't match its current usage, you're going to be apoplectic when you learn about 90% of English words.
147. xorcist ◴[] No.44479520{6}[source]
Just recently Alex Courbot with an @nvidia address have become co-maintainer of Nova. Apparently he has pushed open source inside nVidia before, so there's hope for the future.
148. Yeul ◴[] No.44483203[source]
Nvidia is objectively better for anyone who is willing to pay 3k or more for a gaming PC

AMD even admits that they don't want to compete in the high range. I have no loyalty to any company but there is just nothing out there that beats a 5080.

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150. frollogaston ◴[] No.44485160{5}[source]
This is a perfect example of the "small" tweaks people fail to mention when saying games work fine in Linux.
151. Ashkee ◴[] No.44485501[source]
Sticking with AMD GPUs has worked well for me, especially since switching to Linux. If you want to keep track of your gaming and hobby spending without stress, using Loyally AI to monitor your habits helped me stay balanced. It’s easier to step back and focus on what really matters.
152. esseph ◴[] No.44486403{8}[source]
Hey, were you using KDE/Plasma, by chance?

I just switched over to it last night and my audio in Helldivers 2 in particular is awful and I'm having framerate dives.

If I got back to Gnome3, it's much more stable in fps and my audio problems go away.

This is with VRR on/off in both.

153. int_19h ◴[] No.44487154{7}[source]
Mind you, I'm not saying the current state of affairs is better. On QoL features the pendulum swung too much in the other direction IMO to the point where it's hard to suspend disbelief sometimes.
154. 0dayz ◴[] No.44487391[source]
Amd is at times better than nvidia it's productivity where nvidia is king.
155. account42 ◴[] No.44489487[source]
Gamers seem to be particularly bad about eating up whatever their masters serve them.
156. jama211 ◴[] No.44493815[source]
That might work for you, but in general just hoping other consumers will stop wanting to do things because they’re starting to get exploited is hope based denial about how people work.

Systematic fixes are required because as we know advocating for abstinence isn’t an effective solution ;)

157. frollogaston ◴[] No.44496368{5}[source]
Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.
158. frollogaston ◴[] No.44496400{5}[source]
So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
159. frollogaston ◴[] No.44496407{5}[source]
It's the kind of problem where you think it's fixed, until it's not. Someone gave an expert insight last time I brought this up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049
160. Mithriil ◴[] No.44500319{3}[source]
Did you read the article? One of the points is that frames are not a good metric anymore for NVIDIA, since they push the idea that gaming NEEDS AI-generated frames and bullies reviewers to include TAA, DLSS and other frame-boosting techs when giving framerates.
161. greenmartian ◴[] No.44505976{5}[source]
I just read your comment today. And the good news is, someone just found the commit that triggered the sleep issue literally a couple hours ago. Fingers crossed a fix is incoming.
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162. MegaDeKay ◴[] No.44515810{6}[source]
Yes, I saw that! No response from the devs yet. Hopefully this gets into the kernel soon as a bugfix.
163. MegaDeKay ◴[] No.44515820{6}[source]
For the longest time they had something in their driver that threw an error and bailed if it detected the GPU was being passed through to a VM but that was easily worked around in qemu or libvirt. nvidia must have realized that that check in the driver was pointless and removed it.