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Why email startups fail

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isaachinman ◴[] No.44431176[source]
It seems Forward Email has come to the exact same conclusion I did in a blog post awhile back: https://marcoapp.io/blog/marco-an-introduction

I agree that "reinventing" email, or building a business based on "AI features" are both terrible ideas.

We began building Marco not to do either of these things, but simply because _there wasn't_ any actual cross-platform IMAP client.

Apple Mail exists (but is terrible) if you only have Apple devices. Lots of other options like Superhuman and Shortwave exist, but only support Gmail+Outlook.

All we're doing is building the app that should have existed 10 years ago: a cross-platform, offline-first "Thunderbird". Except far more lightweight and modern. And yes, we've built it from the ground up. And no, it's not Electron.

https://marcoapp.io

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nottorp ◴[] No.44431433[source]
> And no, it's not Electron.

> it became clear that they are developing a single web application, and then wrapping it with CapacitorJs to run on native platforms.

So what's the difference? When complaining, Electron is a generic term for instantiating a whole -ing browser to display a RecyclerView (in Android terms). Not necessarily a complaint about Electron in particular.

> offline-first

Humm. Does that mean you plan to interpose your own server between the app and imap? I sure hope not.

If you mean you keep a local copy of the emails, that's about how any decent email app works. Even Apple mail can do it for gmail over imap :)

I may actually be a potential customer, I'm just pessimistic. Not a fan of "join the waitlist" marketing either.

By the way, how much is a latte where you live?

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xandrius ◴[] No.44432619[source]
Totally agree with you. I take the post being mainly self-promotion with the hook of being "non-electron" for the HN crowd. They still like writing in 1 language and not worry about platforms, just not using the thing called electron.
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1. isaachinman ◴[] No.44433163[source]
When you're a team of two, writing in one language is a practical choice, not a philosophical one.

If we had a team of ten, we'd certainly be writing fully-native apps.

Linear, Slack, Discord. The discussion goes on ad nauseam. This thread is about email, not electron.

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2. xandrius ◴[] No.44437699[source]
I'm also in a team of 2 and still pick the best language for the task. It depends on the person, that's all.