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    The $25k car is going extinct?

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    319 points pseudolus | 13 comments | 29 Jun 25 15:59 UTC | HN request time: 0.618s | source | bottom
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    tlogan ◴[30 Jun 25 12:49 UTC] No.44422630[source]▶
    This is a great example of how factually incorrect narratives - so long as they align with a preferred agenda (which is that things are not affordable any more) - it gets upvoted.

    Reality check:

    - In 2025, there are 12 new car models available under $25,000

    - In 2005, there were around 10 new models under $15,000 (25k adjusted by inflation)

    So the premise that “cars used to be much more affordable” is not true. This article is full of misleading or outdated information that distorts the real trend.

    HN deserves better data-driven discussions.

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    csomar ◴[30 Jun 25 13:13 UTC] No.44422885[source]▶
    > - In 2005, there were around 10 new models under $15,000 (25k adjusted by inflation)

    You'll need to provide hard evidence for this. I was pretty young in 2005 but $15.000 would get you a decent car (though not a pickup). That being said, it is possible we have more models now under 25.000 but what $15/25k used to buy you (segment wise) has downgraded.

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    1. wsc981 ◴[30 Jun 25 14:00 UTC] No.44423375[source]▶
    In 2024 Toyota in Thailand introduced a cheap pick-up that is a bit under 15.000 USD when THB is converted to USD. I think it's rather neat - the basic model is /very/ basic, but lots of options to customize.

    https://www.toyota.co.th/en/model/hilux_champ?tab=commercial...

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    2. rockostrich ◴[30 Jun 25 14:13 UTC] No.44423547[source]▶
    This doesn't really have anything to do with the US though. Importing that vehicle is not possible for another 24 years and USD$15k goes a lot farther in southeast Asia than it does in the US. For the past half century there has been a plethora of cheap pick-up trucks available in Asia and that has not carried over to the US.
    3. monkeyelite ◴[30 Jun 25 14:13 UTC] No.44423549[source]▶
    Part of the cost of cars in America is regulatory compliance.
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    4. knowaveragejoe ◴[30 Jun 25 14:15 UTC] No.44423571[source]▶
    Why can't we get these in the US? This kind of simple utilitarian vehicle is exactly what I'm looking for.
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    5. SecretDreams ◴[30 Jun 25 14:16 UTC] No.44423586[source]▶
    Other parts include import taxes, local wages vs outsourced wages, and margins.
    6. alephnerd ◴[30 Jun 25 14:23 UTC] No.44423692[source]▶
    Toyota uses a separate platform called IMV [0] in developing countries that doesn't meet safety standards in EU, Canada, Japan, the US, or the UK.

    A lot of safety features such as around crumple zones or even airbags (in the case of the Toyota Champ) don't exist in the IMV platform.

    Australia allows them (excluding the Champ), but they watered down their car safety standards in order to seal FTAs with ASEAN (2009), China (2015), and India (2022), leading to the last Australian automotive factory shutting down in 2017.

    Once you start adding those safety features (and build the associated testing infra), costs end up comparable to those in Central Europe - as can be seen with the domestic and international prices of Western-oriented export models from China (Zeekr X/Volvo XC30) or India (Toyota Hyryder/Toyota Urban Cruiser).

    [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_IMV_platform

    7. ajmurmann ◴[30 Jun 25 14:27 UTC] No.44423759[source]▶
    In addition to what the sibling points out, in this case of a light pickup truck the chicken tax also applies which adds 25% tariff: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
    8. korse ◴[30 Jun 25 15:00 UTC] No.44424182[source]▶
    Lol it is the Hilux.

    This requires posting related info-graphic. Cheers.

    https://files.catbox.moe/2d1rwq.webp

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    9. HDThoreaun ◴[30 Jun 25 15:12 UTC] No.44424325[source]▶
    Mostly regulatory nonsense. US has very specific requirements that mean cars driven in the US have to be basically specifically designed for the US. Other than that main problem is tariffs.
    10. runlaszlorun ◴[30 Jun 25 15:15 UTC] No.44424366[source]▶
    That's pretty hilarious I need to find that in a poster for a Marine buddy who's a Toyota mechanic.
    11. beAbU ◴[30 Jun 25 16:00 UTC] No.44424828[source]▶
    The first 4 or 5 pickups in that infographic is the Toyota Land Cruiser, not the Hilux. Although this infographic is pretty funny, it's not accurate I'm afraid.

    They still make the Land Cruiser more or less in that shape and configuration: https://media.cdntoyota.co.za/toyotacms23/attachments/clz2ej...

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    12. korse ◴[01 Jul 25 20:21 UTC] No.44437672{3}[source]▶
    I know this has issues. There is a more accurate one out there somewhere with actual year/models, armament specs and the conflict in which the pic was taken but I don't have quick access to it.

    Still funny.

    13. BlueTemplar ◴[02 Jul 25 17:26 UTC] No.44446423[source]▶
    It's not dumb if it works :

    https://acoup.blog/2025/05/23/collections-the-logistics-of-r...