The $25k car is going extinct?

Wait until you hear about US federal and state automaker subsidies!

Can you provide some information on this, please?

State level tax subsidies.

Federal, things like a the chicken tax which imposes import taxes in categories like small trucks.

Easy top of mind ones.

The former doesn’t exist in any meaningful sense and the latter is not a subsidy, it’s a tariff. It doesn’t make American cars cheaper elsewhere, it makes foreign cars more expensive here.

Other nations aren’t at risk of losing their auto industries domestically because of either.

Tariff is lot a subsidy! lol

Tariffs on trucks ensured that there is a substantial number of manufacturers here in the US.

So, can you provide any info on the subsidies?

You’re right, tariffs aren’t subsidies. They just function like one by kneecapping foreign competition so domestic automakers can overcharge with a straight face.

Actual subsidies? -Federal: ATVM loans (e.g., Tesla, Ford), $7.5K EV tax credits.

-State: Georgia gave Rivian $1.5B. Tennessee handed VW ~$500M. Michigan’s tossed cash at GM like it’s confetti.

So yeah, no subsidies at all, just billions in “non-subsidy” market distortion to keep the hometown heroes afloat.

So, can you provide any substance to the conversation?

The former does exist in a meaningful sense unless you want to provide evidence to the contrary? Lots of opinion zero facts.

No evidence was provided for the assertion to begin with, why must the contrary provide evidence but not the base assertion? You provided an opinion with no facts and then criticized me for doing the same.

But the evidence is other countries aren’t complaining that Ohio offering tax credits to get a a Ford plant to go there instead of Pennsylvania is gutting their automotive industry. Which is exactly the issue we’re discussing.

Any such tax credits are simply American states competing against other American states, and have little to no ramification on the overall cost of an automobile, even domestically, let alone globally.

Meanwhile, China is doing loads of very well documented things that would make the automotive industry impossible for anyone outside of China if not for protectionist policies. Many other countries (basically any that make automobiles) are instituting tariffs as a result.

An example is the section 179 tax break for cars over 6000 pounds - the one your roofing contractor used for her F250 or your real estate agent used for his Suburban.

I am the original person already claiming that China plays games. Amazing how threads twist.

Fair enough—China’s not losing sleep over whether Ford picks Ohio or Pennsylvania. But that doesn’t change the fact that state-level tax breaks are still subsidies. Public money influencing private decisions is the definition, whether it’s across borders or state lines.

And just to be clear, I never said they were globally material—you did. I asked for evidence on your claim that they don’t exist in any meaningful sense and leave an equally unbacked claim as you did. Funny how that upsets you so much.