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    Projectiboga ◴[] No.44409650[source]
    What has been developing for awhile is that musicians are coming from richer backgrounds on average. They can dally around trying their hand as a working musician and can fail and not be destitute. The age of a working class or lower class musician is waining.
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    1. absurdo ◴[] No.44410088[source]
    That has been the case for a very, very long time. Classical music is basically one big orgy of wealthy people. Musicians born into families of musicians that were well off. Same goes for other artistic pursuits such as painters etc.

    I found very little actual insight in this article. I think musicians have been struggling for decades and the parents have known for at least as long to tell their kids to get a degree regardless of their talents. Schools like Berklee are… questionable at best. Lots off nepo babies just taking a few years to fuck about, basically.

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    2. tonyhart7 ◴[] No.44410338[source]
    dude grand piano maybe cost a house back then

    when you think about it

    3. analog31 ◴[] No.44410349[source]
    I've played with Berklee-trained musicians. It's a mixed bag. They won't turn you into a great musician against your will. This is true of any education. And you have to already be **** good when you apply in order to make full use of the opportunities that they offer.

    Oddly enough Berklee is considered to be a jazz school, but the players from there who I consider to be real stand-outs (performing at an international level, or well on their way to doing so) have chosen to earn their livings outside of mainstream jazz.

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    4. pclmulqdq ◴[] No.44410358[source]
    Mainstream jazz really doesn't make money. Also, Berklee is also really strong in the broader field of "Commercial Music" which includes things like film scoring and pop-oriented genres.
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    5. nradov ◴[] No.44410385[source]
    The odds are long but some musicians make it work. Several of the Imagine Dragons band members attended Berklee, and then grinded for years playing cover songs and touring small clubs until they got a recording deal. Would they have succeeded at the same level without that Berklee education? Hard to say.
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    6. vintermann ◴[] No.44410444[source]
    Conservatory music culture is peculiar. Yes, lots of upper class parents want their children to take part in it, but it is not a good career economically speaking. (Unless you want to be a double-showoff and study medicine alongside classical piano, like one guy in my hometown did.) Especially classical musicians take a step down economical class-wise if they succeed. And this has been the case for most entertainer professions for a long time.
    7. dfedbeef ◴[] No.44410461{3}[source]
    What is mainstream jazz
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    8. chickenzzzzu ◴[] No.44410556{4}[source]
    Kenny G, of course. I saw him rummaging through the dumpster in Kirkland just a few days ago.
    9. pclmulqdq ◴[] No.44410595{4}[source]
    What you get in a jazz club.

    The "live from Emmet's place" series that you can find on youtube has some of the best jazz players today playing mainstream jazz.

    10. scns ◴[] No.44410661[source]
    > grinded for years playing cover songs

    The Beatles and Van Halen did the same.

    11. arrowsmith ◴[] No.44411085[source]
    Dream Theater is another example of a successful band that was formed at Berklee.