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Gemini Robotics On-Device brings AI to local robotic devices

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214 points meetpateltech | 1 comments | 24 Jun 25 14:05 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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baron816 ◴[24 Jun 25 17:22 UTC] No.44368529[source]▶
I’m optimistic about humanoid robotics, but I’m curious about the reliability issue. Biological limbs and hands are quite miraculous when you consider that they are able to constantly interact with the world, which entails some natural wear and tear, but then constantly heal themselves.
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didip ◴[24 Jun 25 17:59 UTC] No.44368916[source]▶
I think those problems can be solved with further research in material science, no? Combined that with very responsive but low torque servos, I think this is a solvable problem.
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michaelt ◴[24 Jun 25 20:31 UTC] No.44370705[source]▶
It's a simple matter of the number of motors you have. [1]

Assume every motor has a 1% failure rate per year.

A boring wheeled roomba has 3 motors. That's a 2.9% failure rate per year, and 8.6% failures over 3 years.

Assume a humanoid robot has 43 motors. That gives you a 35% failure rate per year, and 73% over 3 years. That ain't good.

And not only is the humanoid robot less reliable, it's also 14.3x the price - because it's got 14.3x as many motors in it.

[1] And bearings and encoders and gearboxes and control boards and stuff... but they're largely proportional to the number of motors.

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1. elcritch ◴[25 Jun 25 05:23 UTC] No.44373874[source]▶
With more motors and joints also comes some degree of redundancy however. Having multiple fingers means one finger dying won't be as big of an impedement. It'd require feedback and the ability for the motion planner / AI to account for it.

Plus they'll likely be modular and able to be replaced.

IMHO, the bigger design issue for humanistic is lowering the need for mechanical precision which requires lots more metals and instead using adaptive feedback and sensors to obtain accuracy similar to how humans and animals do it. AIs should be really good at that, eventually. I think the compute will need to be about 10x what it is now though.