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cooper_ganglia ◴[] No.44357881[source]
I remember being in school in 2006 and being told that outside of our solar system is a "wall of fire" that we would never be able to cross.

I don't know if any of this info was speculated at that point in time, but it turns out that teacher was at least partially correct!

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jordanb ◴[] No.44358002[source]
Probably true, in that if you try to travel interstellar distances you'll going to have to deal with very hot particles hitting your ship on occasion. If you travel slowly the more time you're going to be spend getting hit by high energy particles. If you try to travel quickly you're going to have to deal with more relatively high energy particles. It's potentially enough to make interstellar travel impossible.
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SoftTalker ◴[] No.44358331[source]
It's impossible for many reasons unless there are physics we haven't discovered yet. To me that's the simple answer for the Fermi paradox.
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andrewflnr ◴[] No.44358863[source]
The Fermi paradox doesn't require travel, though. The lack of any sign of life at all is still surprising (no radio signals, etc), even if we knew it couldn't physically come here.
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flatline ◴[] No.44360486[source]
It would take a lot of power to send even a radio signal that could be picked out from the noise at a few light years. Add a requirement for that signal to be more or less continuous over geologic timescales - we’ve only been able to emit and detect these for ~100 years - and my personal surprise diminishes rapidly. Huge distances in time and space with human-level technology make detection highly unlikely.
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ojosilva ◴[] No.44361310[source]
Yes, and I would add my favorite hypothesis to the paradox, an anthropocentric assumption theory of self importance... or let's call it an anthropocentric bias:

Humans tend to define intelligence, life, and communication based on our own structure -carbon-based biology, electromagnetic signaling, language, symbolic thought, etc. This narrows the scope of our search.

We assume other civilizations want to communicate, would use similar media (radio, light, mathematics), and would send signals we could interpret. This ignores other potential modalities (quantum, neutrino, gravitational, exotic matter, etc.) or entirely non-signal-based forms of interaction.

We may not even recognize signs of intelligent activity if they don't resemble our expectations, ie entire civilizations could exist in forms of computation or energy we can’t perceive.

We assume ET intelligences are aligned with our timeframe or curiosity. Maybe they don’t care to communicate, see us as trivial, or operate on million-year attention spans.

It may reflect less the silence of the cosmos and more the limits of our understanding, especially the assumption that we're capable of detecting or interpreting intelligence beyond Earth. A epistemic humility, or rather our lack of it.

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1. dgfl ◴[] No.44370243{3}[source]
Nobody would be communicating with neutrinos or gravitational energy. EM radiation is way easier to emit and detect, and at cosmic distances they all scale exactly identically (inverse square law). The other things you mentioned are mostly sci-fi inventions and there’s nothing in known or unknown physics that would hint towards them being plausible communication media.

It’s not about being shortsighted, it’s about everyone being constrained by the same laws of physics. Our models, however imperfect, are still unreasonably good.