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1. userbinator ◴[] No.44361743[source]
When unscrewed, users are likely to be greeted with an option to remove the battery as well as it isn’t attached to the device with the help of glue but rather with additional screws.

What a horrible state of things that "not gluing the battery in place but screwing it in" is considered an improvement. IMHO smartphones have been on a horrible decline ever since ~2016. Before then, most Androids had [1] easily replaceable battery, no tools required at all; [2] microSD slot; [3] headphone jack; [4] (many) dual SIM; [5] (many cheaper models) easily rooted or unlocked by default. Now all we get are faster CPUs, more (non-expandable) storage, and far too many cameras.

There was also this memorable ad from Samsung: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIoyb9L5g0

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2. fulafel ◴[] No.44362671[source]
The article is misleading here in that the earlier Fairphones had removable batteries without glue.
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3. ben-schaaf ◴[] No.44362689[source]
FairPhone used to be a manufacturer still doing the right things. My FP3 has all of that, including an official guide for unlocking the bootloader. At least they've kept their promises regarding updates, because I won't be buying their newer phones.
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4. lawn ◴[] No.44362694[source]
The Fairphone 4 at least you could replace the battery without any screws at all. It took seconds and it's been extremely useful for me.
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5. userbinator ◴[] No.44362799[source]
The original Fairphone was basically just a branded version of the generic common Android of the time (MT6589 reference design --- I have an unbranded one that looks very similar but with a better screen and cameras), so they were "doing the right things" like everyone else.

https://www.gizchina.com/2013/06/25/6-top-quad-core-mt6589-p...

There were tons of these little-known companies making very similar phones at the time. Unfortunately most of them disappeared within the next few years. Hence 2016 as the year I mentioned of when things started going downhill noticeably.

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6. littlestymaar ◴[] No.44363098{3}[source]
On the flip side, the battery of my Fairphone 3 had a tendency to disconnect when it was shaken too strongly for its taste, rebooting the phone…

So I'd consider screws to be an improvement actually.

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7. forty ◴[] No.44363394[source]
It's probably going to be the end of the FP3 updates sometimes in 2026, so it will be time to change. For me, it will certainly be a by a FP6.
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8. mslansn ◴[] No.44363571[source]
I don’t miss dropping my phone and the battery and the SIM card flying away into the sunset.
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9. upcoming-sesame ◴[] No.44363600[source]
if the back is still screwed low chance it will happen
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10. mslansn ◴[] No.44363676{3}[source]
Does it matter that the battery is screwed if the back is screwed too? You will need a screwdriver to access it anyway.

Batteries must be glued or screwed, otherwise sudden movements can turn the phone off.

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11. 1dom ◴[] No.44364032[source]
I find this comment really irritating, sorry. This is a thread about the upcoming fairphone, with people praising things done right.

Your comment feel needlessly provocative with no information other than your negative opinion. You've implied Fairphone have turned crap, whilst mentioning a bunch of good stuff they've done, and then how you won't be buying their phones anymore.

Seriously, what was the point of this comment, what were you trying to achieve or communicate? Is that fairphone are rubbish? If so, you haven't said how or why, other than cryptic hints that promises might not have been kept.

This feels like an engagement bait comment, and I can't help but engage to say that.

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12. crossroadsguy ◴[] No.44364074{4}[source]
If in 2025 your unscrewed battery is disconnecting evening at vigorous shakes it is not your fault at all. So that doesn't explain the "bring in the screws".
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13. littlestymaar ◴[] No.44364241{5}[source]
There must be something to tighten the contact between the phone and the battery, every other manufacturer uses glue, Fairphone tried to solve this problem with plastic clips before and it wasn't reliable enough, so I'm certainly not gonna blame them for doing it with the most effective method that doesn't compromise repairability.
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14. ben-schaaf ◴[] No.44364300{3}[source]
I guess if you're not familiar with fairphones products my comment's pretty meaningless, sorry. The parent comment implied that manufacturers stopped having all the listed features after 2016, but fairphone was still doing all that up until 2021. That's why I bought their phone. Then they removed the headphone jack in the 4, and now they're removing tool-less battery/sim replacement. That's why I won't be buying another one; I'll be keeping my FP3 until modern web bloat makes it entirely unusable (which I can only do because fairphone keeps their update promises).
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15. audunw ◴[] No.44364331[source]
I don’t see why I should care that the battery is glued in? It helps keep the battery stable with minimal overhead, and it’s still fairly easy to replace. Apple has even made improvements to make it even easier to remove glued batteries, not that it was all that hard before. Doing excess engineering to make it easier to replace something which I might replace once in the lifetime of the phone doesn’t make sense.

The old use case of wanting to easily swap batteries to keep the phone going isn’t something people care about anymore since we got a billion options for battery banks that works for all the USB-C devices we have.

Nobody cares about headphone jack anymore. It’s dead. Get over it. Why stick a crappy DAC and a bad and single-purpose bulky port in a device where space is critical, when 99% of users are not going to use it? Just stick a USB-C adapter on your headphones. Then you have a choice in DAC. I would much rather have two USB-C ports than a headphone jack.

Dual SIM is also rapidly becoming obsolete.

Micro SD would be nice still, I’ll give you that.

16. Vinnl ◴[] No.44364357{3}[source]
Well, it also had more sustainably-sourced materials (both in terms of environment and labour conditions), and they provided their own open Google-free OS. But you're right that they truly started making progress from version 2 onwards. I'm still happy to have had the FP1 to enable that, though.
17. Vinnl ◴[] No.44364382{3}[source]
On the Fairphone 2 you could even replace the screen without screws. It made it unstable and prone to getting loose, and it was a huge improvement when the Fairphone 3 started using screws for that. It was a fun gimmick, but for something you replace that rarely, it's really not worth the sacrifice.

Screws keep them repairable and sturdy. It'll no longer be as easy to bring a spare battery to replace on the go, unfortunately, but unfortunately, it's a trade-off, and with most people already not doing that, it makes sense where they ended up.

18. WhyNotHugo ◴[] No.44364467[source]
I saw some Edifier desktop speakers the other day which listed as a feature "No built-in microphone for privacy protection".

It's sad what kind of things are considered "features" these days.

19. 1dom ◴[] No.44364643{4}[source]
That's fair, thanks for the explanation, I understand your comment a bit better now, apologies for the poor comprehension on my part.

I am a bit familiar, have been looking at the FP5 as a next phone, so will probably buy an FP6 assuming first batch of reviews aren't catastrophic.

Personally the appeal to me is the modular hardware support, but also the expected long term official software support (and inevitable community support when that ends). Also the principal that it's a company that is trying really hard to do things differently in a way that benefits everyone just seems sensible, innovative and something I want to support compared to other phone companies.

If your biggest issues with FP are removing the headphone jack, and requiring a small screwdriver to replace the batteries, then I'm genuinely interested to know who/what you're considering after as an improvement?

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20. fastball ◴[] No.44364757[source]
Do you think they're screwing it in for fun?

I'd rather my phone be more robust than worry about unscrewing a couple more screws when I need to replace the battery (hopefully a rare occurrence anyway). I don't know anyone that carried around spare batteries like in that ad, so although a good ad it doesn't really speak to customer usage.

I'd also like my phone to be as-waterproof-as-possible, and am willing to sacrifice a back that comes open without any screws or similar.

21. filmor ◴[] No.44364782{4}[source]
If you have a FP3, did it never fall down, throwing its battery out? I had that happen a few times to me in the past and I always wished for a tiny bit more "grip" on the battery. I would guess that I'm not the only one.
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22. kevincox ◴[] No.44365803[source]
I loved older phones where you could just pop or slide off the back and replace the battery. So many people carry around portable battery packs to recharge which is large, heavy and clunky (you need to hold these two devices while the phone charges). I used to just carry a spare battery and could do a swap for an instant full charge in about the same amount of time it takes most people to get out and plug in their battery pack.
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24. ben-schaaf ◴[] No.44368337{5}[source]
Nope, not once. It's been dropped plenty of times and had both the screen and battery replaced.
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25. ben-schaaf ◴[] No.44368672{5}[source]
My original plan was to jump to a Linux phone (PinePhone Pro), but that hasn't really worked out software wise. FuriLab's FLX1 seems to hold some promise regarding Linux, but they're having trouble shipping. HMD has some offerings with the right features, but software support is lacking. So my current plan is to stick with my FP3 until it becomes unusable.

I love FairPhone's vision, and I think they do a pretty good job executing it. There's certainly room for improvement, but I've been really happy with my purchase. I also think removing the headphone jack was a direct betrayal of their ideals.

26. borosuxks ◴[] No.44369289{6}[source]
Mine neither.

I've bought the FP3+ camera, and I'm on my third battery pack, degoogled with murena /e/-OS. Works perfectly, except the screen is a little too large for me. I wish it was a Sony Xperia ZX1 compact size, but one can't have it all.

27. borosuxks ◴[] No.44369391{4}[source]
Is this really a problem? I've had my FP3 for 5-ish years and the plastic clips have done their job without fail. Even when dropping it on hardwood floor
28. palata ◴[] No.44370362{3}[source]
I was personally thinking about a Pixel phone (for GrapheneOS), but given the recent Google news, I'm not so sure where Graphene (and the Pixels) is going.
29. tcfhgj ◴[] No.44381601{4}[source]
haven't had this problem with fp3+ even when it drops on the floor