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Zaheer ◴[] No.44314495[source]
Original DHS Announcement on Social Media Screening: https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-to-begin-sc...

State Dept on what is considered Antisemitism: https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/

These definitions are intentionally broad and designed to censor criticism of Israel. You have more freedom to criticize the US Government than to criticize a foreign country.

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WatchDog ◴[] No.44315447[source]
Wow these are incredibly broad, in particular:

> Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

There are plenty of dual citizens that would proudly admit that their first loyalty is to Israel.

Other examples from the document use the term "Jews as a people", whereas this example seems to apply to accusing any individual.

Although perhaps a generous interpretation of the example, is that it excludes Israeli dual citizens, because Israel would be one of "their own nations"

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lazyeye ◴[] No.44316897[source]
It's all so confusing. Defending Jewish people is very unexpected behaviour for someone, who we've been told for years now, is a nazi...
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immibis ◴[] No.44317106[source]
A common misconception. Hitler was a big supporter of creating Israel (which didn't exist at the time) too. Why? Because the point of Israel was to make the Jews go far away from Europe, where Hitler didn't want them to be.
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lazyeye ◴[] No.44317288[source]
So ummm..are you saying Trump is defending the Jewish state so that eventually all the Jewish people in the US can be moved there? Trying to understand your logic here...
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1. assbuttbuttass ◴[] No.44317847[source]
I don't think Trump personally is anti-semetic. But it's pretty common for right-wingers, even neo-Nazis, to support Israel because of the argument "The Jews get to have a state to call their home, why not Whites?"
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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44321231[source]
>But it's pretty common for right-wingers, even neo-Nazis, to support Israel because of the argument "The Jews get to have a state to call their home, why not Whites?"

It really isn't. Where did you get that information?

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3. const_cast ◴[] No.44321957[source]
From right-wingers and neo-nazis. There's a big overlap between Zionism and right-wing ideology.
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4. lazyeye ◴[] No.44322071{3}[source]
There's a big overlap between Nazism and Zionism?

It's really hard to keep up.

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5. const_cast ◴[] No.44322116{4}[source]
Believe it or not, yes. It's specified above but yes, Adolf Hitler was a Zionist.

The fallacy here is thinking Judaism and Zionism are related. They're not at all. I would wager most Jews worldwide are not Zionists. What Zionism is is the belief that Jews are entitled to a Jewish Ethnostate and they may create that state through violence and colonialism.

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6. const_cast ◴[] No.44322141{4}[source]
Feel free to look up the Haavara Agreement.
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7. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44322422{5}[source]
Who said neo Nazis today are defined by an agreement from the 1930s? Hitler and Nazi Germany made many agreements. They also had one with Russia, and we all know how that went. So your info on neo nazis is way off.
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8. lazyeye ◴[] No.44323501{5}[source]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
9. immibis ◴[] No.44325302{6}[source]
That's really interesting because when someone uses one definition of neonazi as anyone who supports the extermination of a race, as well as getting obsessed with transgenderism and so on, they get shouted down with "no, Nazis are members of Hitler's party" but now someone is defining them as members of Hitler's party and you're shouting them down by saying the modern definition is different.