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1. linotype ◴[] No.44314122[source]
You’re naive if you think they’ll stop with foreign students.
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2. princealiiiii ◴[] No.44314149[source]
It's all done to chill free speech, especially "antisemetic" protests of Israel.
3. duxup ◴[] No.44314163[source]
They already asked Harvard to monitor students for “viewpoint diversity” and make adjustments to admissions based on a government selected third party’s instructions.

When they refused Trump started trying to force the to comply.

They're already trying to reach the same thought police type activity with American students.

4. Mountain_Skies ◴[] No.44314226[source]
True. After seeing how the tech companies, media, and Biden administration acted during the pandemic, you should be worried about how quickly this can spin out of control.
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5. rsingel ◴[] No.44314258[source]
Lol. The Biden administration who simply asked platforms to enforce their own terms of service?

Maybe you're better example is the Trump administration saying it's going to withhold transportation funding from cities because citizens their dared to protest him, issued presidential orders against law firms that represented people suing him, pulled the security clearances of people who dared to say that the 2020 election was not stolen, and threatened trees and charges against a former DHS official who wrote an unflattering op-ed in the Washington Post.

One of these is not like the other

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6. frollogaston ◴[] No.44314401{3}[source]
I think the other comment is referring to Biden administration coercing social media companies on covid19 content ranking until a judge stopped it. Idk if this was related, but YouTube had covid19 vaccine videos promoted to a special place on its front page for over a year.
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7. rsingel ◴[] No.44314814{4}[source]
Flagging content that's against terms of service, foreign interference or illegal (like voting by text scams) is hardly coercion.

The Supreme Court threw out the case.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c100l6jrjvno

The Twitter files were a nothing burger

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8. fc417fc802 ◴[] No.44314873{5}[source]
The article you linked states that it was thrown out for technical reasons. Multiple lower courts sided with the plantiffs so it's clear that the actions taken are far from uncontroversial.
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9. lmm ◴[] No.44315058[source]
Why? Blatantly unconstitutional searches at the border have been going on for decades under administrations from both sides. The US public very evidently doesn't care about the rights of people entering the country. Trying to do the same thing to citizens away from the border will be a different story altogether.
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10. frollogaston ◴[] No.44315228{5}[source]
It wasn't about foreign interference or scams.
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11. frollogaston ◴[] No.44315295{6}[source]
And scotus struck down his vaccine mandate
12. linotype ◴[] No.44315645[source]
Just because both sides might do it doesn’t make it right.
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13. foogazi ◴[] No.44315664[source]
Yeah - what about Brandon ?
14. foogazi ◴[] No.44315666{3}[source]
It’s the classic walrus what about- pay no heed
15. Hnrobert42 ◴[] No.44315679[source]
The US Supreme Court has long held that the border mitigates "reasonable" in the 4th amendment such that warrantless searches at the border are constitutionally sound. [0]

That said, this isn't a search. It is the presumption of guilt if a search is refused. I agree with you that it's bad policy, but it's not unconstitutional.

0 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

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16. lmm ◴[] No.44316660{3}[source]
I agree. But it makes talking like this is some unprecedented novel violation that creates a big slippery slope seem somewhat disingenuous.
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17. rightbyte ◴[] No.44317542{4}[source]
"Whataboutism" and "bothsideism" used to counter critique of hypocrisy might be the most toxic rethorical concepts gaining mindshare lately.
18. nickthegreek ◴[] No.44318582{3}[source]
also, the border is 100miles from the line. so basically a large part of the land of the free.
19. rsingel ◴[] No.44330811{6}[source]
Just for the future reader: The court threw this out on the very reasonable grounds that the rightwing grievers who filed suit had no standing because NONE of them could show that Biden officials had anything to do with them getting kicked off platforms.

That included Gateway Pundit who got kicked off Twitter for continual election disinfo claiming the election was stolen etc. All evidence points to Twitter doing that on its own.

No one has shown any proof that any social media company took down anything that wasn't against their terms of service because of a report from a federal agency or from the Biden White House.

20. rsingel ◴[] No.44330877{6}[source]
Yes, actually it was. Go actually read the lawsuit. It sought to ban federal agencies across the board, including CISA, from communicating at all with social platforms.

Gateway Pundit was one of the plaintiffs and he sued because Twitter banned him for repeated election disinfo (e.g. stolen elections) and he was mad that CISA contradicted him. So was Trump who fired Chris Krebs for having the audacity to say the election wasn't stolen.

The entire lawsuit was just a part of a right-wing grievance campaign against the idea of social platforms, NGOs, or federal agencies doing any work to moderate social platforms.

The world is stupider for that campaign largely suceeding and come the next pandemic, thousands or millions could die thanks to platforms being afraid to do even the most basic moderation.