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threeducks ◴[] No.44083409[source]
> But we have two Echo devices in our household and the data shows whether a request came from the Echo Plus in the kitchen or the original Echo on our daughter Coco’s bedside table, where it has sat since around her ninth birthday. [...] So I now know that it was Coco who wanted to know what it is to be omnisexual and what omniscient means.

Doesn't it feel wrong to the author to snoop through that private information? And publishing it in a news article definitely crosses a line.

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johnea ◴[] No.44083895[source]
> Doesn't it feel wrong to the author to snoop through that private information? And publishing it in a news article definitely crosses a line.

Well of course, only Amazon should have this info 8-/

This whole thing is truly disturbing.

And the millennial expectation that "OF COURSE the monopolistic corps should know everything", is by far the most disturbing part of all.

When in the next decade or two, people find themselves truly and irreversibly f_cked by corporate over-dominance, it will largely be their own fault...

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1. MegaButts ◴[] No.44084043[source]
> And the millennial expectation that "OF COURSE the monopolistic corps should know everything", is by far the most disturbing part of all.

Your experiences are very different from my own. I struggle to remember meeting anyone that thought this. Mostly people are just apathetic.

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2. mschuster91 ◴[] No.44084068[source]
> Mostly people are just apathetic.

And apathy is what caused all of history's greatest crimes to happen. No matter which political ideology, which skin color, which age.

As for the argument of "OF COURSE the monopolistic corps should know everything" itself... I kinda get it. Google at least used to provide a decent service to the end users in exchange for all the data, but they've gone completely off the rails the last few years.

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3. MegaButts ◴[] No.44084082[source]
> Google at least used to provide a decent service to the end users in exchange for all the data, but they've gone completely off the rails the last few years.

Ever since Google fucked up social media by requiring verification with Google+ they've been pretty bad. That was 14 years ago.

4. BlarfMcFlarf ◴[] No.44084312[source]
All the tech solutions have failed. Who do I vote for to stop it?
5. andsoitis ◴[] No.44084347[source]
> And apathy is what caused all of history's greatest crimes to happen

Surely the perpetrators of the crimes should carry some blame?

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6. johnea ◴[] No.44084963[source]
I think we're agreeing actually. because:

> Mostly people are just apathetic

and

> OF COURSE the monopolistic corps should know everything

Are, de facto, equivalent.

Not caring allows the profit-motivated non-human legal entity to pursue whatever course of action it desires.

Not caring is granting permission for that action.

I'm going out on a limb here, and I hope I don't ruin my argument with this stretch analogy:

This reminds me of the situation people enter into when they are legally married. They agree to the legal terms and liabilities of a contract without disclosure of those terms. People are informed by family, peers and society that marriage is an expression of their love and devotion to each other. Then, those unfortunate enough to find themselves in a contentious divorce, discover that the many volumes of their state's family legal code don't actually contain any language at all about love and/or devotion.

There is a lot of language about who gets the money and/or the kids.

They're now subject to the rules that they agreed to when they said "I do", even though they had no idea about those rules at the time.

Is this analogy just bitter divorce vitriol? Yes, yes it is. And I hope you never have to experience seeing things from this perspective.

But to explicitly complete the analogy: the owners of, whatever snoop device, cared enough to buy it, they cared enough to AGREE TO THE EULA!, they cared enough to let that thing monitor their home conversations for years, but they were apathetic about the long term consequences of allowing a profit-motivated no-human legal entity all the rights granted in that many paged EULA that they so eagerly clicked OK to without reading.

Now we get to see a little glimmer of the consequences of that OK. And trust me, this story is by no means the end of those consequences.

This is facilitated by, and will continue to get worse, because: Mostly people are just apathetic

7. const_cast ◴[] No.44091632{3}[source]
Of course but in order to commit big crimes you need a lot of assistance. Apathy does that work.

You can't build, for example, the US' system of slavery without the apathy of a bunch of white people. And that's the only thing that really maintained that system - as soon as a good chunk of white people started caring, it collapsed.