←back to thread

646 points bradgessler | 3 comments | | HN request time: 0.784s | source
Show context
don_neufeld ◴[] No.44009004[source]
Completely agree.

From all of my observations, the impact of LLMs on human thought quality appears largely corrosive.

I’m very glad my kid’s school has hardcore banned them. In some class they only allow students to turn in work that was done in class, under the direct observation of the teacher. There has also been a significant increase in “on paper” work vs work done on computer.

Lest you wonder “what does this guy know anyways?”, I’ll share that I grew up in a household where both parents were professors of education.

Understanding the effectiveness of different methods of learning (my dad literally taught Science Methods) were a frequent topic. Active learning (creating things using what you’re learning about) is so much more effective than passive, reception oriented methods. I think LLMs largely are supporting the latter.

replies(6): >>44009388 #>>44010296 #>>44010436 #>>44010768 #>>44011460 #>>44011653 #
johnisgood ◴[] No.44010436[source]
You can learn a lot from LLMs though, same with, say, Wikipedia. You need curiosity. You need the desire to learn. If you do not have it, then of course you will get nowhere, LLMs or no LLMs.
replies(5): >>44010465 #>>44010488 #>>44011049 #>>44011406 #>>44011771 #
layer8 ◴[] No.44011049[source]
From the article:

“The irony is that I now know more than I ever would have before AI. But I feel slightly dumber. A bit more dull. LLMs give me finished thoughts, polished and convincing, but none of the intellectual growth that comes from developing them myself. The output from AI answers questions. It teaches me facts. But it doesn’t really help me know anything new.”

I think the thesis is that with AI there is less need and incentive to “put the work in” instead of just consuming what the AI outputs, and that in consequence we do the needed work less and atrophy.

replies(1): >>44012902 #
1. johnisgood ◴[] No.44012902[source]
I know, that is why you need the desire, the will to learn. I have been using LLMs for this, so I know it is possible. I understand what you are saying though, and it is indeed a sad state of affairs, but then again, this was the case due to search engines, Wikipedia, and so forth, long before LLMs.

Again, you can truly learn a lot using LLMs, but you have to approach it properly. It does not have to be just "facts", and sometimes, even learning "facts" is learning.

I can use LLMs and learn nothing, but I can use LLMs to learn, too!

replies(1): >>44014290 #
2. layer8 ◴[] No.44014290[source]
Yes, but previously you didn’t need the desire that much, because you were more forced to it, there was no easy way. The fact that now you need that internal motivation means that it will happen less, where previously it happened by default.
replies(1): >>44014611 #
3. johnisgood ◴[] No.44014611[source]
I agree, it is sort of like a double-edged sword, I would say.