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diegof79 ◴[] No.44008902[source]
As someone who works in UX, I admire all the work the Google UX team puts into Material: tons of documentation, UI kits, theme generation tools, a lot of thinking on systematizing the color combinations, etc.

However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes (https://www.scribd.com/document/541500744/Pepsi-Arnell-02110...). I never confirmed if this was a hoax, but it was made into many news websites at the time.

Many design justifications they put on the page don't make much sense: yes, a big send button increases the metric of people finding the button, but it also takes space from the screen, and your daily phone UI is not a kiosk. "New users" become "experienced users", so the big button quickly becomes annoying. Even the M3 documentation site is terrible on mobile: the tab switch at the headers of some docs is so big that just two tabs don't fit into the screen.

By contrast, Apple, which is often praised for its product aesthetics, never makes marketing content like this about its design language. It may present creating emojis as a huge feature or inflate some of its claims a bit, but in general, they let the product do the talking.

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Lammy ◴[] No.44009364[source]
> However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes

So wildly successful that we're all still talking about it even though they don't even use that logo any more?

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superb_dev ◴[] No.44009445[source]
I'm not sure we're talking about it because it was successful, I think we're talking about it because the design document for it was insane:

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

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Lammy ◴[] No.44009658[source]
What is the point of branding but to be remembered? It worked!
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CharlesW ◴[] No.44010056[source]
lol no it did not https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/Dr-Pepper-Ties-Pepsi-as-A...
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Lammy ◴[] No.44010202[source]
I'm not talking about the company's effectiveness in selling sugar-water with the branding attached; I'm talking about the branding's effectiveness at being remembered. A person wants to criticize some unrelated UI design and the very first thing that comes to their mind is “lol this reminds me of The Gravitational Pull of Pepsi!!”. It will live forever.
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1. jonahx ◴[] No.44010797[source]
You're assuming the goal of the marketing is merely "to be remembered". But it's not. It's to be remembered in some positive way, or at least some way that still increases sales. This campaign will live forever as a laughing stock. That wasn't its intention.
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2. fn-mote ◴[] No.44010973[source]
Understood. But also “there’s no such thing as bad publicity.”

Scare quotes because obviously there is, but I don’t think this example crosses the line.

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3. zamadatix ◴[] No.44011145[source]
Even if one takes it as being on that side of the fence, which I'm not sure I actually buy myself, I'm also still not convinced getting some a niche of folks aware of marketing and brand design documents to have such an association form would deserved to be called wildly successful. Usually you want a significant portion of the population to have a common association with a brand as large as Pepsi, not a small portion to have a rare association.