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firejake308 ◴[] No.43999554[source]
I'm confused why they are working on their own frontier models if they are going to be bought by OpenAI anyway. I guess this is something they were working on before the announcement?
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allenleee ◴[] No.44002246[source]
It seems OpenAI acquired Windsurf but is letting it operate independently, keeping its own brand and developing its own coding models. That way, if Windsurf runs into technical problems, the backlash lands on Windsurf—not OpenAI. It’s a smart way to innovate while keeping the main brand safe.
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riffraff ◴[] No.44002285[source]
But doesn't this mean they have twice the costs in training? I was under the impression that was still the most expensive part of these companies' balance.
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rfoo ◴[] No.44003091[source]
mid/post training does not cost that much, except maybe large scale RL, but even this is more of an infra problem. If anything, the cost is mostly in running various experiments (i.e. the process of doing research).

It is very puzzling why "wrapper" companies don't (and religiously say they won't ever) do something on this front. The only barrier is talents.

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anshumankmr ◴[] No.44003222[source]
You might be underestimating the barrier to hiring the really smart people. Open AI/Google etc would be hiring and poaching people like crazy, offering cushy bonuses and TCs that would make blow your mind.(Like say Noam Brown at Open AI) And some of the more ambitious ones would start their own ventures (like say Ilya etc.).

That being said I am sure a lot of the so called wrapper companies are paying insanely well too, but competing with FAANGMULA might be trickier for them.

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1. NitpickLawyer ◴[] No.44003495[source]
FAANGMULA ... Microsoft, Uber?, L??, Anthropic? Who's the L?
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2. Archonical ◴[] No.44003605[source]
Lyft.
3. riffraff ◴[] No.44006161[source]
A is Airbnb, afair.