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philipallstar ◴[] No.43985073[source]
The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.
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bryanlarsen ◴[] No.43985179[source]
And the investments in public transit and bike paths are excellent for those who can't. Such unalloyed win-wins are hard to find.
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lokar ◴[] No.43985193[source]
I lived in Manhattan, and was very well paid. I did not own a car, and loved it. This would have been great for me as well.
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timewizard ◴[] No.43989879[source]
Did you have children or did you live alone?
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epistasis ◴[] No.43989923[source]
As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car.

Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous.

My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by the market.

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grugagag ◴[] No.43990148[source]
Having a dinky appartment that is still expensive is not worth it unless you’re young and don’t have kids and want to be around everything you care about. Or you’re rich and don’t mind paying a fortune to live in a nicer appartment in Manhattan. If I had the money I would still prefer something outside Manhattan just to be able to avoid the noise pollution, the crowds and all that Manhattan commotion.
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david-gpu ◴[] No.43990555[source]
I hear that noise pollution in Manhattan has gotten better since congestion pricing started.

Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.

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nradov ◴[] No.43990887[source]
Cars aren't nearly as loud as sirens and garbage trucks. Whenever I stay in a dense city those tend to keep me up at night.
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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43991046[source]
> Cars aren't nearly as loud as sirens and garbage trucks

Guess what forces emergency vehicles to fire their sirens, or garbage trucks to linger.

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lazide ◴[] No.43993942[source]
bwahaha this is so ridiculous.
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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.43998954[source]
You’re really claiming that a congested street isn’t meaningfully more noisy than an uncongested one, including in terms of frequency and duration of horns and sirens?
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1. lazide ◴[] No.44002809[source]
More noisy? Of course. But even in nice places like Chelsea - at 2am when there are no cars or congestion at all - the cops/ambulances and garbage trucks have no problem being incredibly noisy.