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1257 points jbredeche | 9 comments | | HN request time: 1.489s | source | bottom
1. tombert ◴[] No.44000784{3}[source]
A parent's obligation is to try and do everything they can to make their child's life good. I think most people would agree that living more than a week is a good thing.
2. seandoe ◴[] No.44001164{3}[source]
Yes. Yes it is.
3. squigz ◴[] No.44001379[source]
> that the child will die at some point

So what? So a father shouldn't celebrate medical advances that mean their kid doesn't have to die after a week? And if it does, they should just be like "Ah, that's life!"

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4. Sabinus ◴[] No.44001472{3}[source]
The medical profession allocates scarce resources based on the amount of quality-adjusted life years it will bring.

Humans see value in living life, so cutting a life short is worse than a life that would be ending soon anyway.

5. efilife ◴[] No.44001497[source]
I never said any of this
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6. squigz ◴[] No.44001508{3}[source]
I didn't say you did. I was trying to understand your point, and so was inferring what you could possibly have meant with your original comment.
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7. efilife ◴[] No.44001678{4}[source]
Oh, sorry. I definitely think a father can (should?) celebrate medical advancements like this, and definitely shouldn't undermine death like "Ah, that's life". My point is that people often worry about their children's death when they themselves are still alive. Death seems okay if it's when they don't get to see it
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8. Tade0 ◴[] No.44002274{5}[source]
Death of someone whose potential was largely realized is a very different thing than the death of someone who never got a chance at the same.

I would be deeply unhappy to learn that my children won't live to old age.

Also witnessing the death of a loved one is obviously traumatic. People grieve their parents dying of old age.

9. ecshafer ◴[] No.44007685{3}[source]
You are trying to frame this as pure “logic” but if you had read a single book on ethics or even philosophy you would see that’s not the case. You are basically asking “but why is good better than bad?” Acting as if you are logical but failing basic premises of logic or ethics. Any ethical framework is going to have axioms, typicslly these axioms are things that are inarguable for any person, namely its better to live than die, or to reduce suffering, etc. using basically any ethics system and pure logic you will quickly reach a conclusion that a baby living is better than one dying.

This really has nothing to do with the inevitability of death. Death is inevitable, however there is a difference between a child dying and an elderly person dying. A child has potential, they have not lived their lives. A child has not actually lived the full basic human experience, they havent had a crush, or fallen in love or married or had children or had any great successes or failures or close friends or anything, these things everyone does. An older person has, they are not a pure soul who hasnt experienced life. After 70 years you can be sad for the individual passing but happy that they have experienced life. This is why when a parent has a child they arent sad that their child will die in 80 years, but are devasted if they die at a week. The child never even had a chance. When you actually have a child, its an emotional and fulfilling experience, and to have that torn out so early is damaging.

From an empathy and emotional pov these things are so extemely basic and foundational aspects of being a human, a 10 year old from any culture on earth can undersrand this with no difficulty. And any person with even a passing familiarty with logic, ethics or philosophy will dismiss you as being earnest. Which is why people are assuming you are a troll.