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Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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437 points Vinnl | 3 comments | 13 May 25 10:43 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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philipallstar ◴[14 May 25 14:36 UTC] No.43985073[source]▶
The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.
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bryanlarsen ◴[14 May 25 14:45 UTC] No.43985179[source]▶
And the investments in public transit and bike paths are excellent for those who can't. Such unalloyed win-wins are hard to find.
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lokar ◴[14 May 25 14:47 UTC] No.43985193[source]▶
I lived in Manhattan, and was very well paid. I did not own a car, and loved it. This would have been great for me as well.
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timewizard ◴[14 May 25 22:33 UTC] No.43989879[source]▶
Did you have children or did you live alone?
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epistasis ◴[14 May 25 22:40 UTC] No.43989923[source]▶
As someone with children, I can not imagine the bliss of living in Manhattan and being able to do things without needing a car.

Car-centric urban planning is hell with kids. You have to load them up into the car for any small trip. You can't walk or bike anywhere because cars make it so dangerous.

My only regret about living in the US is this car hellscape that is so hard to avoid. It's mandated by law, not chosen by the market.

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1. mancerayder ◴[15 May 25 02:00 UTC] No.43991140[source]▶
Oof. I know people with kids in the city, and it seems like if you're taking public transit, it's a nightmare when they're little.

(When they're teenagers who knows, you have new problems)

People who live outside of Manhattan have more space and sometimes the optional car.

The professionals are paying an absolute fortune for child care, a salary's worth, and more for bigger apartments in nice neighborhoods.

It's no joke. You'd better be obsessed with the city, or a short commute, because otherwise you're moving to Westchester or NJ or LI.

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2. epistasis ◴[15 May 25 02:30 UTC] No.43991270[source]▶
My little kids looove transit. We take the bus all the time in my small town. We visit San Francisco almost weekly it's how we get around after parking. And we usually start our day in SOMA, an area that is not the nicest. We also frequently take the new central subway. I have not experienced a nightmare yet. Maybe Manhattan is more of a nightmare.

I have no doubt that Manhattan is expensive, but my greater point is that it would be great. A lot of very expensive things are great.

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3. Spooky23 ◴[15 May 25 03:58 UTC] No.43991717[source]▶
SFO Muni is a better system than New York.

For all of the doom and gloom that I expected on my trip there, I thought that system was amazing. The rest of the city was too, if anything there’s more vacancy in Manhattan, but more crazy people in SFO.