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the_clarence ◴[] No.43973667[source]
I switched from a lifetime of iPhones to an android phone last year, just because of folding phones. They are amazing and IMO the reason why Apple is going to have issues as these get cheaper (unless they release a folding phone too). Now that I have all this screen estate the current UI feels limiting often.
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permo-w ◴[] No.43973686[source]
I switched from iPhone to android a month ago and it was so awful that I just went back to using my old phone. I treat the android device as essentially a powerbank with a camera, and even that it's bad at. plug it into my PC to transfer pictures? no response
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1. chneu ◴[] No.43975644[source]
Smells like user error and bias.

I've swapped dozens of users from iOS to Android in the last year or so and nobody has had issues. Over the years I've helped hundreds of people migrate. Most everyone really likes the freedom to use different apps or workflows.

The only folks who ever have problems are people who need to be told how to use their devices. Choices confuse them so android is overwhelming, which is understandable. That's where iOS excels. iOS dictates how users can do things, which works for some people but also atrophies people's understanding of technology. People learn to do as they're told, not how to think about what's going on. Apple's walled garden makes people worse at technology.

Also sounds like you bought a garbage bargain android device. Idk how something can barely work as a camera/powerbank unless user error is present.

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2. konart ◴[] No.43977058[source]
>The only folks who ever have problems are people who need to be told how to use their devices.

While this may be the case - many iPhone users love their phones (and iOS) for a different reason.

I've been with Android for some time: rooting, custom builds, different launchers, you name it. And it was fun back when I was in my early 20s, when had the time for this and when it was something new (HTC One, the very first model was my last Android phone).

Then I've bought iPhone 6 (I had switched from Arch to macOS few months earlier) and tried a few android phones since.

I simply don't need those "workflows".

I need about a dozen apps (the ones I use almost daily), I want them to be thought through (like Drafts) and I want my OS to work and behave the same way at least 5 years later (not to mention security updates and such).

This is where iPhone delivers and where Android quite often fails. I have iPhone 13 now and I can be sure that even few years from now everything will just work the same way does now.

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3. permo-w ◴[] No.43980570[source]
get your head out of your own arse. it's got fuck all to do with needing to be told what to do; you should see the level of customisation I have set up on my laptop. the overriding issue here is that if you're doing things on your phone that require massive customisability then you're doing something wrong. phones are for calling, photos, music and occasionally looking something up. almost anything else you should be doing with a keyboard and mouse. a phone that you have to constantly dig through the settings and install a million utility apps to make bearable is a bad phone. a phone you have to pay a grifter to transition you to using is a bad phone

>Idk how something can barely work as a camera/powerbank unless user error is present.

I literally explained this in the comment. the device doesn't connect to my laptop when I plug it in, meaning that I can't transfer photos off it easily

your entire comment smells viciously of "oh my god! how dare he not have had a good experience with android. my poor baby android..."

if I was biased I wouldn't have bought an android in the first place

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4. chneu ◴[] No.43986881[source]
you p much repeated what i said. you want to be told how to use your phone. you'll use the apps that you're given to do the tasks they decide you can do on your phone. that's fine. that's why stock ios exists.

but the person i was replying to was acting like android doesn't work. They were trying to do things that their chosen walled-garden(apple/ios) prevents them from doing, then blaming anything but their walled-garden. they were showing clear bias.

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5. chneu ◴[] No.43986889[source]
you're clearly using it wrong and blaming the device.

multiple people have explained to you that you're the issue and your response is to get angry, throw around insults, and reiterate that you're using it wrong.

you bought into a walled garden, then acting like everything outside your self-imposed garden is wrong.

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6. permo-w ◴[] No.43987229{3}[source]
it's telling that you've not actually addressed anything I said. you're just repeating yourself and appealing to the authority of others. you've quite clearly decided that Android is your "team" and you're just going to aggressively defend it and insult anyone who threatens that, and yes, you too were throwing around insults, just because they were less explicit does not mean you get to play as if you're the adult in the room

there's a difference between liking a walled garden and preferring a phone that just works pleasantly with all the features you need straight out of the box, and the fact that you're choosing to misunderstand this shows that you're just completely unobjective. and of course you are, you've literally explained your vested interest in this. it's like trying to argue atheism to an evangelical priest

besides, if we were talking about tablets or laptops or anything that you might actually want to do work on, then a walled garden is a huge issue, a massive dealbreaker. but as far as I'm concerned you're kidding yourself if you think your phone needs a wider pool of features than a Nokia from 2007

7. konart ◴[] No.43992081{3}[source]
>you p much repeated what i said. you want to be told how to use your phone. you'll use the apps that you're given to do the tasks they decide you can do on your phone. that's fine.

No, I have said entirely different thing.

Try to climb off you horse and maybe you will notice the difference between "apps you are given" and "apps I decided to use that are available on the market".

>but the person i was replying to was acting like android doesn't work

Well, that person was too emotional and given us almost no details. But to be honest the way Android behaves (unless you want to hack most of it) - it can be described as "doesn't work" from iOS user's perspective. And no, not because of "walled garden" or some other bs you imagine. Most of the time android phones (yes, even top models) simply lag (or start lagging over the time). Not to mention that the base line quality of software is simply lower than on iOS.

>they were showing clear bias.

And so are you. You are doing _exactly_ the same when writting things like "walled-garden" and "you want to be told"