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1. mystifyingpoi ◴[] No.43678499[source]
> Relationships that took me years to cultivate… mostly going to be gone too.

I don't want to sound condescending, but if being forced out of the job means end for your relationships built for years, maybe these relationships weren't built as they should. They should have been built with the people as people, not coworkers, and definitely not using company as the communication ground.

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2. neilv ◴[] No.43678530[source]
That sentence caught my eye too.

First thought was whether they meant corporate political capitol transactional relationships.

Second thought was maybe they meant that, inevitably (or so it seems, probably thinking depressed), they'd drift apart, since everyone's busy with family and work, and around the workplace was the only times they'd have to interact.

In the latter, even if you have beyond-work social relationships, the opportunities to interact outside of work and the lunchtime might tend to be like "drinks after work", and effectively disappear as well. If that was your mode while working together, that's fine, and probably you don't want to see even more of each other then. That doesn't mean you weren't seeing them as people beyond coworkers. So, once no longer working with each other, you both need to actively change things to make opportunities to interact.

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3. mystifyingpoi ◴[] No.43678603[source]
> the opportunities to interact outside of work and the lunchtime

Good point. I wonder how much in-office work contributes to this. Because if you are trapped inside an office building for 8+ hours with essentially randoms, most people will start getting to know each other at some point, because there is no other choice, and after work and commute there is no time left for anything else.

I feel sad for the author.

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4. roncesvalles ◴[] No.43678606[source]
Most relationships do not survive being ripped away from the spatial and temporal context in which they were cultivated. How many of your middle school, high school and even college buddies do you still have a relationship with?

I think there's some stigma with confronting the fact that relationships are just ephemeral. We are social creatures in the sense that we can cooperate with each other on a task laid in front of us, but once that task is done, we mostly tend to drift apart onto the next task with another group of people. And that's okay. We're only weakly social with everyone except our direct family and significant others. The quality of a relationship is in no way measured by how long it endured.

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5. riffraff ◴[] No.43678610[source]
I see where you're coming from, but relationship need some amount of contact to survive.

Work forces you to be in contact, if the majority of your time is spent elsewhere due to changing job, or city, or gym, or having kids.. it's a blow.

I try to keep in touch with ex co-workers I cared about, but we live in different countries, at different stages in life, with different priorities, and it's hard to say the relationship is well.

That doesn't mean the relationships weren't built as they should, IMHO, they are just different kinds of relationships.

6. torginus ◴[] No.43678763[source]
You are right but I think there's a fundamental issue that many people think that 'as long as I keep showing up and doing good work, the powers that be will look out for me'.

By default work relationships work as you advertised. It needs conscious effort on your (and everyone's) part to reframe these relationships as something that's between you and your friends, on your own terms. Consciously hanging out together, talking to each other, doing projects together outside the context of work. Social relationships need to be built up with effort. The company will do this for you, because they enjoy the benefits of a crew that works well together, but if they put in the effort, the relationship will belong to them. You will think that 'I could get slightly more at this other place, but I like my colleagues here', realizing you'd lose the social net if you changed jobs.

I think a huge problem with nerds (like me and probably you), is that we don't understand the fundamental power dynamics that shape society, because we lack the inherent cunning and weren't forced to face down enough hardship to have our illusions shattered until later in life.

Truth is, if there are rules, somebody needs to enforce them. If something nice happens, it does because somebody makes it happen. These things are mental abstractions designed to make your life predictable, but like every abstractions, sometimes things happen that were supposed to be impossible, because the system doesn't work the way you think it does.

7. milesrout ◴[] No.43678780[source]
>How many of your middle school, high school and even college buddies do you still have a relationship with?

All the ones that were true friends, and none of the ones that were just friendly acquaintances.

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9. ErigmolCt ◴[] No.43678925[source]
I get where you're coming from, but I think it's a little more complicated than that.
10. jongjong ◴[] No.43679132[source]
My wife is really good at keeping friends even those she didn't see in years. She has many such friends and she speaks to them over video chat. I have a few long term friends like that but not so close.
11. mystifyingpoi ◴[] No.43679318[source]
> Most relationships do not survive being ripped away from the spatial and temporal context

I think this is very true, and with college buddies it's very different from workmates. Because in college, you are with them at classes, but then you hang out with them between classes, then you meet them in cafeteria, then you meet them at a party or in the student club, then you meet them at dormitory etc. All these contexts are different and that helps to build more diverse relationship, which is not focused on a single place.

At work, in my experience I'll meet them in the office and then maybe wave a hand on the way out of the parking lot, if ever.

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12. AstralStorm ◴[] No.43679510{3}[source]
And then, it turns out these people actually move, try to raise a family and work, and then you rarely keep in touch.

This is the big thing, work opportunities tend to get people to move whole cities away, and long distance relationships like this tend to not survive.

13. AstralStorm ◴[] No.43679530{3}[source]
8 hours if you're lucky. Make that 10 if you're not because of breaks.

So the 40 hour work week gives rather little time to properly socialize, even less if you have family obligations esp. kids, especially when people move around as much as they do now.

14. hnbad ◴[] No.43679845[source]
Corporations like Google certainly encourage a focus on in-group relationships between employees to reduce churn (i.e. increase stakes for disgruntled employees who might consider quitting). The entire idea of having scheduled leisure activities, daycare, laundry services, etc all provided either by the company or facilitated through the company encapsulates current employees and gently excludes former employees, which likely helps reduce their ability to spread or air negative sentiments following their departure (which apparently can be fairly rapid, which also means fired employees will be stunned and possibly in shock for the limited duration where they may still have access to other employees directly).

There's a reason the "employee retention" behavior of companies like Google and Facebook during the web 2.0 craze was often compared to actual cults.

15. dennis_jeeves2 ◴[] No.43684169[source]
>relationships do not survive being ripped away from the spatial and temporal context in which they were cultivated.

Very true, but also very unfortunate. The best people (a teeny almost non-existent minority) are not like that.

>weakly social with everyone except our direct family and significant others.

For a large number of people, (say 50 %) I suspect this is not true. Especially when people move from rural to urban areas.

16. dietr1ch ◴[] No.43684338[source]
> Most relationships do not survive being ripped away from the spatial and temporal context in which they were cultivated.

Just being far away makes maintaining relationships really hard. Introverted people rely on being dragged into socialising, which goes poof not being in the same place.