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Playing in the Creek

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BrenBarn ◴[] No.43651969[source]
It's a nice article. In a way though it kind of bypasses what I see as the main takeaways.

It's not about AI development, it's about something mentioned earlier in the article: "make as much money as I can". The problems that we see with AI have little to do with AI "development", they have to do with AI marketing and promulgation. If the author had gone ahead and dammed the creek with a shovel, or blown off his hand, that would have been bad, but not that bad. Those kinds of mistakes are self-limiting because if you're doing something for the enjoyment or challenge of it, you won't do it at a scale that creates more enjoyment than you personally can experience. In the parable of the CEO and the fisherman, the fisherman stops at what he can tangibly appreciate.

If everyone working on and using AI were approaching it like damming a creek for fun, we would have no problems. The AI models we had might be powerful, but they would be funky and disjointed because people would be more interested in tinkering with them than making money from them. We see tons of posts on HN every day about remarkable things people do for the gusto. We'd see a bunch of posts about new AI models and people would talk about how cool they are and go on not using them in any load-bearing way.

As soon as people start trying to use anything, AI or not, to make as much money as possible, we have a problem.

The second missed takeaway is at the end. He says Anthropic is noticing the coquinas as if that means they're going to somehow self-regulate. But in most of the examples he gives, he wasn't stopped by his own realization, but by an external authority (like parents) telling him to stop. Most people are not as self-reflective as this author and won't care about "winning zero sum games against people who don't necessarily deserve to lose", let alone about coquinas. They need a parent to step in and take the shovel away.

As long as we keep treating "making as much money as you can" as some kind of exception to the principle of "you can't keep doing stuff until you break something", we'll have these problems, AI or not.

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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.43652620[source]
> As soon as people start trying to use anything, AI or not, to make as much money as possible, we have a problem.

I noticed that, around the turn of the century, when "The Web" was suddenly all about the Benjamins.

It's sort of gone downhill, since.

For myself, I've retired, and putter around in my "software garden." I do make use of AI, to help me solve problems, and generate code starts, but I am into it for personal satisfaction.

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FollowingTheDao[dead post] ◴[] No.43652904[source]
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hobs ◴[] No.43653061[source]
Are you jealous or mad that they didn't do more for you? Neither is a good look really. What have you done for me lately?
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FollowingTheDao[dead post] ◴[] No.43653413[source]
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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.43653747[source]
Sorry to hear that. Not our fault, and it won't make your life any better to be bitter about it. It certainly doesn't help you, in the least, to be attacking folks in a public professional forum.

You're also not the only one doing charity work.

Just sayin'.

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FollowingTheDao[dead post] ◴[] No.43653923[source]
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sepositus ◴[] No.43654094[source]
Do you think this style of argumentation is constructive and beneficial for the broader good of society? I can't think of a single person I've met who would respond positively to being labeled a (partial) sociopath after being able to only express a couple of paragraphs of thought.
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FollowingTheDao ◴[] No.43654429[source]
Yes, I do, because I’m never going to change his mind, maybe I will, but probably not, but other people reading this can take sides and think about it in a non-direct way.

Jesus turned over tables when they were trying to profit inside the church. His movement seemed to turn out pretty good.

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1. pseudalopex ◴[] No.43660685[source]
> other people reading this can take sides

Fewer people can read dead comments. And what others said.