I'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.
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> A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one post was content in support of Israel."
[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...
From Wikipedia:
> NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective
<wikipedia page goes in lot more detail>
I'll trust HRW on this one. No thanks.
“I feel this organization is biased against the Nazi party” is essentially the same sentence.
Well, they're not very good in preventing civilian casualties. I'm pretty sure they rank pretty fucking high on the list of causing civilian casualties, actually.
Most other nations don't need any such measures implemented since, you know, they don't commit genocide.
"You should be happy we didn't kill more people, because we could!" is not a particularly good argument for your cause.
> While “hate speech,” “bullying and harassment,” and “violence and incitement” policies[74] were less commonly invoked in the cases Human Rights Watch documented, the handful of cases where they were applied stood out as erroneous. For example, a Facebook user post that said, “How can anyone justify supporting the killing of babies and innocent civilians…” was removed under Community Standards on “bullying and harassment.”[75] Another user posted an image on Instagram of a dead child in a hospital in Gaza with the comment, “Israel bombs the Baptist Hospital in Gaza City killing over 500…” which was removed under Community Guidelines on “violence and incitement.”[76]
Also I've provided more than ample evidence that HRW is deeply compromised on this issue and has been for many years: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/29/human-rights-w...
"A sweeping crackdown on posts on Instagram and Facebook that are critical of Israel—or even vaguely supportive of Palestinians—was directly orchestrated by the government of Israel, according to internal Meta data obtained by Drop Site News."
The government of Israel does not want anyone to see photos of war victims, yes that's correct.
[1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-...
[2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-...
[3] https://www.memri.org/reports/raven-project-leaks-alleged-qa...
> Elie Wiesel, Prof Alan Dershowitz, R James Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, Tom Gross, Prof Judea Pearl, Douglas Murray
Hmmmm, none of those people are famously biased towards Israel....
Also, you are misusing Credentials Fallacy to dismiss the difference between factual reporting and opinion. If I dismissed a peer-reviewed study you posted by saying that YOU aren't a scientist/expert, THAT would be Credential Fallacy. It doesn't just mean that you have to accept all sources and claims as equal. "You just dismissed my Infowars link without even providing a detailed refutation, and just trusted the CDC instead! Fallacy!"
If any source is deserving of a comparison to InfoWars here it's HRW itself. You can't unilaterally smear every right-of-center source as completely untrustworthy and expect to stay on the side of reality for long.
The Israeli government also helped facilitate Qatar's support for Hamas[0], what's your point here?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#Isra...
> Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 32, mostly women and children (Apr 6)
[1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new...
> An Israeli strike hit near a charity kitchen in Gaza as Palestinians gathered for food (Apr 7)
[2] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new...
> Palestinian teenager who died in Israeli prison showed signs of starvation, medical report says (Apr 6)
> Starvation was likely the leading cause of death for a Palestinian teenager who died in an Israeli prison, according to an Israeli doctor who observed the autopsy.
[3] https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israel...
Or how about Business Insider?
> Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target suspected Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says
[4] https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-dadd...
The Georgetown Security Studies Review?
> The Dehumanization of ISR: Israel’s Use of Artificial Intelligence In Warfare
> “At 5 a.m., [the air force] would come and bomb all the houses that we had marked,” B. said, an anonymous IDF soldier. “We took out thousands of people. We didn’t go through them one by one—we put everything into automated systems, and as soon as one of [the marked individuals] was at home, he immediately became a target. We bombed him and his house.”
[5] https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-d...
Is there any news source apart from Netanyahu himself that you would accept as true for showing that the IDF was not taking measures not to kill women and children in Gaza?
The nonsensical references to Qatar and Hamas while pushing conspiracies around a human rights group are standard Hasbara talking points.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4519187-who-radicalized...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-former-associated-p...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/board-member-of-politico-owne...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/jewish-group-sues-ap-for-prov...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/terrorists-themselves-former-...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/ap-hits-new-low-with-charisma...
And, what are the point of your links? Isarel accidentally kills civilians, which is virtually unavoidable in urban warfare. Hamas hides behind civilians in order to increase civilian casualties because they know the far left news will report on it to their favor. And, they purposely kill Israeli civilians because they are terrorists. One side is pure evil. The other is doing better than just about every nation in the world in fighting a just war.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-kidnaps-tortures-and-mu...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/idf-reveals-terrorists-brutal...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/yarden-bibas-describes-hamas-...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/american-israeli-hersh-goldbe...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-leader-using-at-least-1...
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-loves-dead-palestinians
Ah, so now you're just pivoting to "left-leaning means untrue/ propaganda".
And since you just ignored BI and GSSR, I assume you don't have anything to counter that.
In the end, you're nothing but a propagandist pushing pro-Israel narratives through opinion pieces and actual propaganda sites like Daily Wire.
No allegations beaten, as usual.
> Isarel accidentally kills civilians, which is virtually unavoidable in urban warfare.
Israel's false narrative of civilian casualty minimization has completely collapsed (not least of all because they have now cut off all supplies for 2 months, and publicly discussed removing all Palestinians from Gaza (ethnic cleansing), and the international community is wise to it, which is why Israel is now having to literally paint anyone and everyone from the UN, the ICC, HRW, the Red Cross/ Red Crescent, food aid programs, news orgs from every country, people from every end of the political spectrum, and just literally anyone who questions their narrative, as liars and propagandists. Look at the comments here if you doubt that people have wisened up.
Qatar however is a supporter of the islamist Muslim Brotherhood ideology behind Hamas, financier and a host for most of its leadership.
Furthermore involved in other terror financing in the region such as the Taliban, IRGC and Al-Qaeda [1][2].
My point here is the HRW has shown before to be corrupted and flexible with their ethics in relation to the middle east, and there is evidence it took money from Qatar, a country deeply involved in this conflict and in the past used bribery in corruption to influence western politics [3]
[1] https://thearabweekly.com/ahmadinejad-reveals-qatar-paid-ran...
[2] https://www.iar-gwu.org/print-archive/an-analysis-of-qatari-...
[3] https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-qatargat...
No, I said far-left goes hand-in-hand with being ant-Israel. Do you know what words mean? I actually do think the far-left is wrong about just about everything, but they do often mix falsehoods with things that are true, so of course not everything they say is untrue.
> And since you just ignored BI and GSSR, I assume you don't have anything to counter that.
No, I'm just not going to take the time to address every article in particular, which you have no room to complain about, given you completely ignored every article I linked.
Looking at the BI article, for instance, they talk about "proportionality", which is a completely bogus and corrupt idea of warfare. You don't fight to respond proportionality; you fight to win and to win decisively. I have no interest in kowtowing to morally bankrupt leftwing morality.
> In the end, you're nothing but a propagandist pushing pro-Israel narratives through opinion pieces and actual propaganda sites like Daily Wire.
Every pro-Hamas rally is filled with people who hate America and the west. I know I am on the side of good and you are on the side of depraved evil, and I will fight to defend what is right.
> and publicly discussed removing all Palestinians from Gaza (ethnic cleansing)
That's not what ethnic cleansing is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
There has to be intent to make the area homogenous. The people of Gaza voted in Hamas and have been working to destroy Israel ever since. It is well within Israel's right to remove them, and I fully support them if it comes to that.
> Look at the comments here if you doubt that people have wisened up.
I actually I saw other comments, that were not downvoted, of people explaining how HRW is biased and conflicted. And, HN has always been deeply-left leaning. I'm happy to trade away some karma to speak the truth to people like you.
The approach over the last decade or so was to keep that border quiet. Usually through economic means, the belief was the naive capitalist notion that lack of money creates evil (crime, war, etc)
Contrary to the popular belief, Israel as evident in the multiple operations l/wars over a decade, did not want to capture the strip. It was obvious that fighting an enemy entrenched in tunnels/hospitals/schools will lead to mass civilian death and IDF soldiers (overstated though). However, in hindsight this also made things worse once that was made inevitable.
You can see it in the Qatar money, agreeing to let dual-use materials that had been used to build tunnels and to allow gazans workers to work in Israel, as recent as just before October 7.
Regarding whether Israeli officials pleaded for that money, that is not an accurate representation, you can read about it here [1]. The reasons include US pressure and cutting funds from the PA to Hamas, and wanting to keep the quiet.
It is also stated they wanted to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state through counterweighting Hamas and the PA but I think this is a later exercise. This deal was highly unpopular in Israel and was regarded as what it is, protection money
Also, cult, really? Are you always this offensive or only with regard to this topic?
[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-fu...
Horseshit. Israeli support for Hamas increased as the PLA/PLO became much more moderate and looking for peaceable solutions.
Arafat and those organizations were absolutely responsible for many violent, reprehensible, terrorist acts.
For whatever reason, they became more willing to sit at the table and work toward reasonable peace.
To the Israeli hard right, this was an awkward position to be in. Because now they'd be seen as the intransigents, the unmoving, the ones unwilling to work toward peace.
So they started supporting Hamas, directly and indirectly, because Hamas did take a harder line, and was a more easily denounced group, much as the PLA/PLO of old.
This PR spin that "really, we hoped that Hamas wanted the best for everyone and they betrayed us all" is complete garbage.
> Also, cult, really?
Considering your arguments will boil down to: UN is wrong, all human rights groups are wrong, all health agencies are wrong, the people living in Gaza et. al. are wrong, all of the media is wrong, all of Israel's neighbours are wrong, and that the only one who is right is the hyper-corrupt genocidal Israeli cabinet, then yes it's either a lack of knowledge or being part of a cult.
[0] Look, an actual Israeli source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visit...
I think this is an extremely simplified look at the last two decades. Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip and removed all its settlements under a Likud government, was that also a conspiracy to strengthen hamas?
What actually happened is that Israel did not want the Gaza strip, or to manage any of the millions there, so it withdrew.
However, Hamas being hamas continued firing rockets at Israeli towns, which required going to war to protect these.
This left Israel in an awkward situation of having to reoccupy the gaza strip with the thousand dead gazans that will die in the process (a lesser version of what we see now) and having to occupy the strip back.
Because no one wanted to do that, together with a negligent leadership, this system of half-operations started, where every two years they would bomb and sign a cease fire. Enough to stop the rockets for a while but not enough to anger anyone internationally. Later on culminating in actually allowing Qatar terror money, in order to keep the quiet.
Ironically half of the reason of reaching to the point where so many people had died in this war, is the international community sensitivity to casualties, very similar to pre-ww2 appeasement. Where it is only accepted for Israel to destroy such an organization is after it already conducts its mass killings (and even that is apparently contested)