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palata ◴[] No.43651526[source]
> There are few unicorns in Europe, alas, and too little innovation.

There is most definitely innovation in Europe. It just gets bought by the US, who is quick to forget where the technology came from.

As for unicorns and trillion dollars companies... some may say it's a feature, not a bug. It's great to claim to have free speech and competition, but when a few people own a few big monopolies and control the media, is it real? Regulations are not bad.

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qsort ◴[] No.43651715[source]
> As for unicorns and trillion dollars companies... some may say it's a feature, not a bug

Cope much?

As a European I'd rather not have half of our industries critically depend on AWS and Microsoft, especially now that the US has fully embraced governance by RNG. The choice isn't having or not having your own digital infrastructure, it's either having your own or having to depend on someone else.

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1. InsideOutSanta ◴[] No.43651893[source]
>As a European I'd rather not have half of our industries critically depend on AWS and Microsoft

It seems to me that's a point in support of the idea that Unicorns are a problem and should not exist.

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2. huntertwo ◴[] No.43651915[source]
What a free society that would be!
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3. palata ◴[] No.43651971[source]
I don't get this interpretation of "free". Would you say that one should be "free" to kill someone else?

Nobody wants absolute freedom. We all want some set of rules (e.g. "You should not be allowed to burn my house for fun"). Of course, we may want rules that benefit us personally ("Taxes should be paid to me personally, not to the country"), but that obviously doesn't work (if taxes are paid exclusively to me, they can't be paid exclusively to you).

So as a group, we agree on a set of rules that benefits society the most. We want to "maximize the global utility", if I can say it like this.

If "not having unicorns" is better for the society at large than "having unicorns", then it works. And your short-sighted, convenient understanding of "freedom" doesn't change that.

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4. exe34 ◴[] No.43651994[source]
Truly! imagine if international trade was controlled for the benefit of the people instead of a pump and dump operation for the oligarchy!
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5. huntertwo ◴[] No.43652076{3}[source]
How would you restrict the existence of unicorns?

Also refrain from personal attacks on this site - you don’t know my understanding of freedom and denigrating me doesn’t help your argument.

Edit: my implicit argument is that restricting unicorns while sounds nice on paper is that the net benefit of an implementation of that is net negative - not that absolute anarchy is the solution.

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6. huntertwo ◴[] No.43652127{3}[source]
My mistake, I forgot you could either ban both unicorns and pump and dumps or ban neither! How could I be so dumb!
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7. InsideOutSanta ◴[] No.43652134[source]
A society with competition? Yes, indeed, that would be a more free society.
8. exe34 ◴[] No.43652152{4}[source]
What would a ban even look like in the US? who would enforce it? if it profits the republican party, then there's no government agency left to enforce laws against that.
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9. InsideOutSanta ◴[] No.43652176{4}[source]
I must point out that you introduced the word "ban." I did not. I don't even know what "banning Unicorns" means, or how that would work.

I said, "Unicorns are a problem and should not exist." I suspect that regulation that protects competition and the free market is a pretty effective way of preventing Unicorns from arising in the first place.

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10. huntertwo ◴[] No.43652184{5}[source]
The president has a meme coin I think we’re going to get a painful reminder of why we have so many financial laws soon.
11. huntertwo ◴[] No.43652219{5}[source]
That is my mistake - I misinterpreted.

In my mind, regulations preventing unicorns (I.e statups > 1B in valuation) would require restricting personal decisions on where to invest money based on size. Protecting competition or free markets IMO would not succeed in preventing unicorns but maybe there is a plan that could work.

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12. palata ◴[] No.43652230{4}[source]
> Also refrain from personal attacks on this site - you don’t know my understanding of freedom and denigrating me doesn’t help your argument.

Because your sarcasm was constructive, maybe?

> my implicit argument is that

Next time, maybe consider making it explicit and without using sarcasm.

My explicit answer was that if you consider that regulations are fundamentally against freedom, then I disagree. To me, it's perfectly fine to regulate unicorns if we believe it is better for the society. You can disagree with the fact that it would be better for society, but that's not what you said. What you said is that regulating against unicorns would be against freedom.

13. InsideOutSanta ◴[] No.43652262{6}[source]
My understanding is that unicorns are typically so highly valued because investors believe they will be able to corner their market and achieve monopolistic control over it. This is often their long-term strategy: undercut the market, drive out or buy out competition, and eventually increase prices and enshittify service while continuing to buy or legally destroy any potential competition.

There are a lot of links in that chain that strong pro-competition regulation could break.

14. abenga ◴[] No.43653072{4}[source]
> How would you restrict the existence of unicorns?

Enact and enforce anti trust laws.