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slibhb ◴[] No.43644865[source]
LLMs are statistical models trained on human-generated text. They aren't the perfectly logical "machine brains" that Asimov and others imagined.

The upshot of this is that LLMs are quite good at the stuff that he thinks only humans will be able to do. What they aren't so good at (yet) is really rigorous reasoning, exactly the opposite of what 20th century people assumed.

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beloch ◴[] No.43646817[source]
What we used to think of as "AI" at one point in time becomes a mere "algorithm" or "automation" by another point in time. A lot of what Asimov predicted has come to pass, very much in the way he saw it. We just no longer think of it as "AI".

LLM's are just the latest form of "AI" that, for a change, doesn't quite fit Asimov's mold. Perhaps it's because they're being designed to replace humans in creative tasks rather than liberate humans to pursue them.

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israrkhan ◴[] No.43647847[source]
Exactly... as someone said " I need AI to do my laundary and dishes, while I can focus on art and creative stuff" ... But AI is doing the exact opposite, i.e creative stuff (drawing, poetry, coding, documents creation etc), while we are left to do the dishes/laundary.
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bad_user ◴[] No.43648246[source]
I have yet to enjoy any of the "creative" slop coming out of LLMs.

Maybe some day I will, but I find it hard to believe it, given a LLM just copies its training material. All the creativity comes from the human input, but even though people can now cheaply copy the style of actual artists, that doesn't mean they can make it work.

Art is interesting because it is created by humans, not despite it. For example, poetry is interesting because it makes you think about what did the author mean. With LLMs there is no author, which makes those generated poems garbage.

I'm not saying that it can't work at all, it can, but not in the way people think. I subscribe to George Orwell's dystopian view from 1984 who already imagined the "versificator".

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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.43648380[source]
> I have yet to enjoy any of the "creative" slop coming out of LLMs.

Oh, come on. Who can't love the "classic" song, I Glued My Balls to My Butthole Again[0]?

I mean, that's AI "creativity," at its peak!

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPlOYPGMRws (Probably NSFW)

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1. bad_user ◴[] No.43651366[source]
I don't find that very funny. It's interesting to see what AI can do, but wait a month or two and watch it again.

Compare that to the parodies made by someone like "Weird Al" Yankovic. And I get that these tools will get better, but the best parodies work due to the human performer. They are funny because they aren't fake.

This goes for other art forms. People mention photography a lot, comparing it with painting. Photography works because it captures a real moment in time and space; it works because it's not fake. Painting also works because it shows what human imagination and skill with brushes can do. When it's fake (e.g., not made by a human painting with brushes on canvas, but by a Photoshop filter), it's meaningless.

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2. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.43652373[source]
Seems that you may have a point. As noted in another comment[0], the [rather puerile] lyrics were completely bro-sourced. They used Suno to mimic an old-style band.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43648786