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lenerdenator ◴[] No.43644555[source]
> One wonders what Asimov would make of the world of 2025, and whether he’d still see artificial and natural intelligence as complementary, rather than in competition.

I mean, I just got done watching a presentation at Google Next where the presenter talked to an AI agent and set up a landscaping appointment with price match and a person could intervene to approve the price match.

It's cool, sure, but understand, that agent would absolutely have been a person on a phone five years ago, and if you replace them with agentic AI, that doesn't mean that person has gone away or is now free to write poetry. It means they're out of an income and benefits. And that's before you consider the effects on the pool of talent you're drawing from when you're looking for someone to intervene on behalf of these agentic AIs, like that supervisor did when they approved the price match. If you don't have the entry-level person, you don't have them five years later when you want to promote someone to manage.

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mandmandam ◴[] No.43644670[source]
> if you replace them with agentic AI, that doesn't mean that person has gone away or is now free to write poetry. It means they're out of an income and benefits.

That's capitalism for ye :/ Join us on the UBI train.

Say, have you ever read the book 'Bullshit Jobs'...

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lenerdenator ◴[] No.43644767[source]
> That's capitalism for ye :/ Join us on the UBI train.

The people with all of the money effectively froze wages for 45 years, and that was when there were people actually doing labor for them.

What makes you think that they'll peaceably agree to UBI for people who don't sell them labor for money?

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1. milesrout ◴[] No.43648502[source]
Wages haven't been frozen for 45 years in real terms. They have gone up considerably.
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2. mandmandam ◴[] No.43651399[source]
Compare wages to productivity [0]. Or compare the rise in wages to the rise in housing costs [1].

The vast majority of the gains in productivity have been captured and funneled upward.

0 - https://assets.weforum.org/editor/HFNnYrqruqvI_-Skg2C7ZYjdcX...

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3. milesrout ◴[] No.43662795[source]
That graph is misinformation. It deliberately excludes the wages of the most productive workers (but includes their productivity) which makes it meaningless.