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JSR_FDED ◴[] No.43631980[source]
It’s like people excited about the new datacenter being built in their town, think of all the jobs that will bring they cry. Nobody realizes it takes 6 people to run a datacenter.

Bringing “manufacturing back to the US” is a fool’s errand. The future of manufacturing is automation, not jobs.

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1. xienze ◴[] No.43632300[source]
I think you're missing that the bigger value is having the manufacturing on your home soil instead of depending on being in the good graces of China.
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2. vidarh ◴[] No.43632376[source]
Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.
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3. xienze ◴[] No.43632397[source]
Except for the whole military superpower thing. The US is actually in a somewhat unique situation compared to other countries.
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4. hello_moto ◴[] No.43632414[source]
If US doesn’t need X, X will try hard to avoid US (who’s bullying everyone right now).

Eventually US will be in isolation.

5. hello_moto ◴[] No.43632423{3}[source]
Unique for now. It’s changing.

The moment is threatened Canada , Denmark sovereignty and EU/NATO, countries are planning for life without US

6. vidarh ◴[] No.43632502{3}[source]
It's only in a somewhat unique situation if people the US is willing and able to stomach a large-scale war, and people believe that to be so, and that belief has also dropped dramatically.
7. NoMoreNicksLeft ◴[] No.43632552[source]
One could easily have the impression that despite this, China has never really given a rat's ass about being in the good graces of the US, and that when they do relent it is often the case that they do not do so in good faith at all. If they comply with ethics and human rights, it's to the absolute minimum of that and in an underhanded way designed to undermine, but often not even that and they're just cheating and good at hiding it.

In other words, not much would be lost except the devious lip service.

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8. lm28469 ◴[] No.43632738[source]
That goes against like 50 years of global trade policies but ok...
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10. itishappy ◴[] No.43632894[source]
Strategic shoe manufacturing?
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11. absolutelastone ◴[] No.43633027[source]
This outcome is probably the end result for either scenario. The degree to which China is dependent on the US has been steadily decreasing. There's no law of nature that says the US will keep winning and have its advantages forever.
12. kjkjadksj ◴[] No.43633981[source]
You always depend on someones good graces. What difference does it make if they are an american you are dependent on or a chinese person? Still a human at the end of the day. Its the political leaders that want you to say that an apple and an apple are different species. It doesn’t reflect the reality that we are all equivocal humans on earth. The sooner we get out of our nation state well of stability as a species, the sooner we advance technologically to the next level as a species.
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13. briankelly ◴[] No.43635186{3}[source]
See the threads on the state of US shipbuilding.
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14. ForOldHack ◴[] No.43639123{4}[source]
Yes. You should point out that >50% of ships are built by China, and 30% are built by Korea, and United States is not even on the list... Do we even make ships? Maybe a few military wessels.
15. beeflet ◴[] No.43642240[source]
everything
16. beeflet ◴[] No.43642280[source]
It's not the choice of an american or chinese person but an american or chinese economy you're dependent on. An american or chinese country, an american or chinese government. The difference is that the chinese support eugenics, are throwing people in ethnic reeduction camps, operate an authoritarian system with extensive mass surveillance, and have plans to conquer taiwan (and the world). People are not equal because cultures are not equal. You might as well be dependent on the USSR or Nazi Germany, after all they're just people!

The sooner we get out of our nation state well of stability as a species? I don't know what dopey star trek fantasy land you are living in, but we are sooner going to destroy the world than join hands and all sing kumbaya. Especially if we allow some autocratic regimes to come to power.

17. vidarh ◴[] No.43644644{3}[source]
It depends on what you're looking at. They've avoided a confrontation with Taiwan, for example. How long that will last if/when they no longer consider open conflict with the US to be a major consideration is anyones guess.