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gibbitz ◴[] No.43631583[source]
AI generated recruits are a fiction. That's not to say there aren't fake or bait and switch recruits but this idea makes no sense.

Some background. I'm a senior developer who has performed hundreds of interviews and seen dozens of questionable recruits long before AI. Typically the scam is that an offshore consultancy wants to place some roles to collect wages. Many of these agencies are from collectivist cultures, so in the mind of the agency, they all work in our project. This may not be true, but the agency sees the position as theirs, not the recruit's. So they typically don't the issue with putting recruit A in front of the interviewer and then slotting recruit B in after the position is secured. I've seen this done with A talking while B moves their lips on camera. Now with chatGPT (and earlier to some degree with just Google Search) we just see applicants eyes focused on something they're reading when we ask questions. All of this is just as easy as an AI generated applicant (if not easier) and quite likely to get the recruit hired.

A lot of this narrative is pointing the finger at China, North Korea and Russia/Ukraine. The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors. North Korea has executed the largest crypto heists in history. These are not groups who need to fake it.

So who does this narrative serve? It serves the RTO CEOs. This makes CEOs scared to hire remote workers and lets the ones who demand it have a reason.

If anything the panic around AI should reinforce the need to think critically about these things.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43631862[source]
>The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors.

Out of curiosity, what tech sector does Ukraine have? I don't remember ever hearing of any large successful Ukrainian SW compony or unicorn.

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1. mistrial9 ◴[] No.43631906[source]
parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades.. they seem to deny it now but JetBrainz is from there, which is hugely successful.
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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43632059[source]
>parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades..

Like wich exactly? Jetbrains is one, but it is from Czechia IIRC. I was asking what tech products has Ukrainian tech sector produced.

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3. mistrial9 ◴[] No.43632134[source]
Leonid Radvinsky, Ruja Ignatova ?
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4. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43632185{3}[source]
What part of "tech products of Ukraine" was unclear?
5. dkarl ◴[] No.43632201[source]
I've worked with several excellent Ukrainian developers, but in each case they were working for consulting firms in other Eastern European countries.
6. oblio ◴[] No.43632269[source]
> have produced excellent tech <<talent>> for decades..

There you go, hope it makes more sense for you.

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7. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43632293{3}[source]
Understandable, thanks.
8. no_wizard ◴[] No.43632317[source]
> JetBrainz

Its Jetbrains, and they don't deny having workers there at all (the company itself If I recall correctly is located in the Czech Republic). In fact, they went through great expense to exfiltrate their Ukrainian employees and cut Russia off before everyone else got on the bandwagon (IE, before it was 'cool').

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9. spitfire ◴[] No.43632511[source]
Jetbrains is Russian. They relocated to Czech to wash their face.
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10. mistrial9 ◴[] No.43632669{3}[source]
I honestly do not know about this -- wasn't it based in Kiev at first?
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11. codedokode ◴[] No.43633855[source]
I always thought that Jetbrains is 100% Russian? Why would foreigners choose "Kotlin" for the name of programming language?
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13. spitfire ◴[] No.43634204{4}[source]
According to Wikipedia “ JetBrains, initially called IntelliJ Software,[9][10] was founded in 2000 in Prague by three Russian software developers:”

My understanding is that they had the Czech business location with Russian developers so they had a clean public face.

I’d believe you if you insisted on Kiev based too, I don’t know anything first hand.

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15. kgeist ◴[] No.43636894{3}[source]
IIRC JetBrains was nominally registered in Czech Republic but the majority of the engineers were located in St.Petersburg (and Kotlin is an island near St.Petersburg).
16. throwaway48476 ◴[] No.43636950[source]
Russia has been sanctioned since 2014 and that's when the tech exodus began.
17. throwaway48476 ◴[] No.43636959{3}[source]
An Israeli and a Bulgarian gypsy?