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Brazil's government-run payments system has become dominant

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666 points jcartw | 4 comments | 08 Apr 25 10:59 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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SwiftyBug ◴[08 Apr 25 11:48 UTC] No.43620583[source]▶
I've been living in Brazil for the last 20 years.

Pix revolutionised the way we transact in Brazil. I've used Pix to pay for things that cost only cents, and I have a friend who bought her house using Pix. The system just works for any transfer amount. And it's so easy to use.

Its speed is truly baffling, and so is its reliability. Never have I failed to make a Pix payment because of downtime. I never cease to be amazed by how fast money arrives in my Brazilian account when I make a withdrawal directly from my EUR wallet on Wise. I receive a push notification from my Brazilian bank before Wise finishes running the animation of confirmation of withdrawal. It's like magic.

And it's so widespread that nowadays I don't even question whether someone accepts Pix. When I get in a taxi, no matter how old the driver is, it's certain that they take (and prefer) Pix.

I've even had homeless people ask me for Pix instead of change on multiple occasions.

Cryptocurrencies don't stand a chance.

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mhluongo ◴[08 Apr 25 11:54 UTC] No.43620618[source]▶
> Cryptocurrencies don't stand a chance.

Does it work internationally? Does it send USD as well, or only the real?

If it solves th same problems, why is Brazil considering banning self-custodial USD stablecoins? And why has there been an ongoing discussion about launching mBRL, and stablecoin pegged to the real?

https://www.pymnts.com/cryptocurrency/2024/brazil-considers-...

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londons_explore ◴[08 Apr 25 12:01 UTC] No.43620684[source]▶
Nearly every non-western country has it's own e-cash type system.

Everything from m-pesa in Kenya to Gcash in the Philippines to PromptPay in Thailand to Alipay in China to SGQR in Singapore to MPay in Oman....

The pattern is that these systems are nearly all fully centralised, require ID, zero privacy, usually government sanctioned, and not cross border.

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pjc50 ◴[08 Apr 25 12:10 UTC] No.43620767[source]▶
And quite a lot of Western ones like Vipps. And see this long list: https://truelayer.com/reports/alternative-payments/european-...

> require ID, zero privacy, usually government sanctioned

Unfortunately systems that don't have those requirements are going to be money laundering channels. I wish it wasn't such a big concern but it's unavoidable.

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1. DeathArrow ◴[08 Apr 25 12:28 UTC] No.43620920[source]▶
This is not a good argument. We can't forbid everything just because it can be used by criminals.

By the same thinking we should forbid cash, too.

We have two ways:

Give up all freedoms, forbid anything and transform the society into a mass surveillance society where everyone spies everyone, where is no anonimity and no privacy.

Or require law enforcement to do a better jobs without people giving up their freedoms.

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2. RHSeeger ◴[08 Apr 25 15:26 UTC] No.43622922[source]▶
There is a pretty big gray area in there. Literally every society on the planet has some form of "giving up their freedoms" in exchange for some amount of security. I would argue that it's impossible to have a stable society without that. The thing that's important is deciding which rights are worth protecting and which ones are ok to give up in exchange for security (or other reasons, presumably).
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3. TheOtherHobbes ◴[08 Apr 25 22:06 UTC] No.43626946[source]▶
And it's not as if crypto is particularly anonymous. Transaction analysis will identify you unless you work hard at covering your tracks.
4. neves ◴[09 Apr 25 02:08 UTC] No.43628285[source]▶
Maybe you can if the main use of a coin is for ransomware or drug traficking