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UK Effort to Keep Apple Encryption Fight Secret Is Blocked

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170 points flanked-evergl | 6 comments | 08 Apr 25 07:46 UTC | HN request time: 2.215s | source | bottom
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amelius ◴[08 Apr 25 09:22 UTC] No.43619760[source]▶
I don't understand people who want to defend Apple in this case. UK is a functioning democracy, and why would you want to put a (foreign) company above that? If you want change, you know the route ...
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1. like_any_other ◴[08 Apr 25 09:25 UTC] No.43619778[source]▶
Secret trials to enact mass surveillance on an unknowing population (the original demand gagged Apple from talking about it) doesn't sound like a "functioning democracy" to me.
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2. londons_explore ◴[08 Apr 25 09:31 UTC] No.43619811[source]▶
I don't know of any country with fully open governance.

There are always decisions or information which is kept secret/illegal to publish.

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3. Leynos ◴[08 Apr 25 09:34 UTC] No.43619835[source]▶
And which parts of that governance can be kept secret should be subject to continuous review. Openness must be carefully guarded.
4. HPsquared ◴[08 Apr 25 09:43 UTC] No.43619885[source]▶
Maybe there's a healthy middle ground.
5. like_any_other ◴[08 Apr 25 09:47 UTC] No.43619904[source]▶
"Fully open" is a strawman. These are not names of MI5 agents, or a list of active police investigations. This is a massive breach of privacy of every UK citizen, and forced recruitment of every company into a government informant, forcing them to lie to their users that they're being given privacy, whilst informing on them.

It is trying to keep the existence of the Stasi a secret.

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6. londons_explore ◴[08 Apr 25 10:27 UTC] No.43620095{3}[source]▶
I'd be willing to bet if the government had to pick between publishing the list of all spies names Vs having backdoor access to all Comms, they'd pick having the backdoor access.