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duxup ◴[] No.43581973[source]
It feels like every pick of this administration is just someone who has a motivation for corruption.
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hn_throwaway_99 ◴[] No.43583574[source]
It's really shocking to me how quickly and transparently we've hit banana republic levels of corruption, and anyone with any smidgen of power to do anything about it has just rolled over - Profiles in Cowardice describes all of the remaining Republicans in Congress to me (all the courageous ones were either primaried or retired).

The examples are all just so disgustingly blatant now, like Eric Adams in NYC, or the founder of Nikola paying millions in bribes (err, sorry, "campaign donations") to get a pardon.

Our republic may survive the current administration (not sure, probably give it less than a 50% chance these days), but the facade of our righteousness is gone forever. Trump won the election fair and square, and both the electoral college and the popular vote. People knew exactly what they were getting, and they wanted this.

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blibble ◴[] No.43583914[source]
> People knew exactly what they were getting, and they wanted this.

once the world was willing to forgive, but twice is a pattern that can't be ignored

the 97% of the rest of the world now needs to de-risk itself from the US and its businesses

longer term, the self-inflicted loss of economic, military and cultural domination will hopefully result in the US electorate realising that "US exceptionalism" was only ever a set of lucky circumstances, which are unlikely to be repeated

at which point the forced humility should result in a return to long-term stability

the worse outcome is the US attempts to hang onto its dying empire with warfare, and it appears we're seeing the groundwork being laid for this already (canada, greenland, panama, ...)

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1. tsunamifury ◴[] No.43584013[source]
This is not easily done. The withdrawal will be extreme and take a great deal of time.

I think most will not have the will once they steel the cost. I know this forum loves to prognosticate but the right thing is what one must do to survive.

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2. blibble ◴[] No.43584039[source]
> I think most will not have the will once they steel the cost.

if you're a government it's quite easy to "encourage" it to occur

example: "US cloud provider revenue levy", starting at 0%, increasing 1% each month until 40%

the aim being to add a large risk premium to all purchases of US cloud services, encouraging companies to switch to domestic suppliers

the EU is already publicly talking about retaliating in this manner

3. ikiris ◴[] No.43584085[source]
This is why a tariff trade war is extremely dangerous right now. It explicitly incentivizes this further as an intentional goal.
4. hn_throwaway_99 ◴[] No.43584265[source]
I agree with your first paragraph, not so much the second.

I think the rest of the world is just dealing with the reality that the US is now an unreliable partner and cannot be trusted. In the face of that, yes, I agree that most of them won't dump the US immediately with big fanfare, but they will start to decouple in the background where it matters - making trade deals that exclude the US, building real incentives for the intelligentsia to stay away from the US (though the US is already doing a fairly decent job of that themselves), taking more responsibility for their own defense, etc.

I mean, look what happened to Vietnam and Israel. They capitulated in the face of the tariff threat and removed their tariffs on US imports, and they still got hit with some of the highest (or, it Vietnam's case, the highest) tariff rates. Europe has already realized (and this is a good thing and a long time coming IMO) that they need to rebuild their defense capacity because they can't depend on the US.

So no, I don't believe it will happen immediately, but I also believe that over the longer term (5-10-15 years) that decoupling from the US is inevitable solely because not doing that will be more difficult for other countries.