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BLKNSLVR ◴[] No.43544819[source]
Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power.

This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

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ReptileMan ◴[] No.43545006[source]
>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process

I agree with you.

Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved.

The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

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BLKNSLVR ◴[] No.43545048[source]
If it's so important to get done quickly, hire more people to do it. Move resources to solve the most pressing problems first.

Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes.

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1. ReptileMan ◴[] No.43545097[source]
>Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes.

Once again I agree with you. Let's deport them first and make remote immigration courts in every US embassy. This way they have remedy for false positives, and let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes

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2. BLKNSLVR ◴[] No.43545162[source]
But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please?

(you answered above: Papers Please it is.)

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3. lawn ◴[] No.43545332[source]
Sending them to a prison you don't return from isn't a deportation.
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4. ethbr1 ◴[] No.43545374[source]
It sure would have helped if we'd hired those additional immigration judges that the bipartisan bill would have funded... before Trump shot it down to deny Biden a political point.

And being forcibly removed from the US is exactly the sort of power that due process is intended to limit, by Constitutional design for all people in the US (not just citizens).

5. ReptileMan ◴[] No.43545524[source]
What is wrong with papers please?
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6. jrs235 ◴[] No.43546221{3}[source]
"Sir we need your papers to resolve your claim you were wrongly deported. What? I'm sorry we deported you without your papers. That's your problem. If you can't get your papers your SOL." Nevermind they are deporting folks to third party PRISONS.
7. SauciestGNU ◴[] No.43547271{3}[source]
It's an affront to the values America was founded on, and an insult to the Allies who died fighting the Nazis to stop behavior like this
8. ouilala ◴[] No.43547375{3}[source]
Nothing wrong with it. In fact I should be able to see the papers of the ICE agent, to unlock his phone, to strip search him and detain him if necessary until I find he isn't a terrorist; and if found to be a threat, neutralize him by whatever means necessary. Why not, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't believe in special rights for certain groups. If he can search me, I can search him too.
9. foogazi ◴[] No.43548791[source]
This is not rational or intellectually honest - not the discourse I expect on hn
10. joquarky ◴[] No.43549115{3}[source]
If you don't know the connotations of the most basic idioms of history, perhaps you should move on to another thread.
11. Terr_ ◴[] No.43549488[source]
With most of them being sent to a totally unrelated country, to boot.
12. anigbrowl ◴[] No.43552819{3}[source]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please
13. ModernMech ◴[] No.43553744[source]
I regret to inform you, you have committed a crime and are being deported. :(

What's that you say? You have not committed a crime? Unfortunately, our records indicate that you have. Bummer! :\

You're an American Citizen? Why, that changes things! Hard to tell lookin at ya ;). But unfortunately we don't have the time or resources to make a positive determination about that now, so you'll have to wait in Venezuela for as long as it takes while the law/justice sorts this out.

Yes, I understand you claim you've done nothing wrong, but you've got to understand, people voted to get rid of "people like you", and that's the president's mandate. So in the end it may turn out that you're innocent, but for the next 4 years please enjoy this Venezuelan gulag. It's your patriotic duty.