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itissid ◴[] No.43494328[source]
Its just people. People are the same everywhere, and are fundamentally unpredictable systems. How large groups behave does depends to a certain extent on context: by compared to others and your socio-economic situation. How they publicly expressed their values are entirely different from their behavior. This is to the dread of incumbent governments and pollsters.

If you starve a wealthy man for 2 weeks he will be ready to cannibalize. If you create a metric upon which you place a lot of economic-value, soooner or later it will get gamed and corrupted. If you remove checks and balances humans being unpredictable will turn on each other.

One can choose to ignore this fact, but at the cost of endless grief to oneself and those around.

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bufferoverflow ◴[] No.43496176[source]
> People are the same everywhere

That is absolutely not true. People aren't the same even in adjacent neighborhoods sometimes. Some create great environments, some create hells on earth.

Source: I lived in 3 different countries + an isolated island.

But you don't even need my biased opinion on the matter. We have cultures that throw gay people off the roofs, and cultures that celebrate them.

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hnhg ◴[] No.43496488[source]
Some of those cultures that apparently celebrate gay people were also chemically castrating them not that long ago, and also have a lot of locals who still hate gay people and cannot wait to get back to the old ways.

The rise of the far right in Europe and USA might challenge your idea of fixed regional cultures quite soon.

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tomp ◴[] No.43496579[source]
The main drive of who you call “far right” is precisely to import less people that want to throw gays off roofs.
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hnhg ◴[] No.43496645[source]
Some of them, maybe. Some others are just not tolerant of LGBT lifestyles and equality at all.

Also, I don't think someone who wants limited immigration is necessarily far right.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43496996[source]
*)limiting ILLEGAL immigration, emphasis on the word illegal.

Nobody in Europe has a problem with LEGAL immigration, but the left wing parties and MSM keeps ignoring this and sweeping illegal immigration along the legal immigration banner to drive the narrative that Europeans are racists who hate all immigrants in order to justify (social) media censorship and restrictions on free speech to fight the "right wing extremist nazi" boogie man, which ironically, actually fuels the swing towards the extremist right wing, because the regular public discourse and communication channels for criticizing illegal immigration in public are censored/disabled.

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amanaplanacanal ◴[] No.43497102[source]
They always say that, until you talk about legalizing more immigration, then you find out that no, they don't want any more immigration period.
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1. tomp ◴[] No.43497544[source]
I don’t think that anyone minds immigration of highly educated people from advanced civilized countries that have aligned values and respect local cultures.

But illegal and legal immigrants from other countries mainly consume taxpayer resources and spread crime and violence.

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2. guappa ◴[] No.43498470[source]
Of course they do mind, ask any dark skinned person with a university degree about their experiences.
3. amanaplanacanal ◴[] No.43511462[source]
That is absolutely not true. Whoever you heard that from is lying to you. Local citizens cause way more crime than immigrants. Maybe think about where you are getting your news from, because it is bullshit.
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4. tomp ◴[] No.43511636[source]
Of course they do, because there’s way more local citizens than immigrants.

But non-Western immigrants are more likely to commit crimes (i.e. on a per-capita basis).

This blog post goes into some detail, and also adjusts by sex & age (also important!).

https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-...

You can easily confirm the basic “Danish origin vs non-Western immigrants” statistics by doing simple math from official sources.

https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/krimin...

Persons of Danish origin commit 75% of crime yet represent 84% of the population. Immigrants are only 16% of population yet commit 25% of crime.

Or is official Danish statistics lying?

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5. guappa ◴[] No.43531332{3}[source]
Now correct for income and see if it isn't linked to income rather than skin colour :)
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6. tomp ◴[] No.43532392{4}[source]
So? If non-Western immigrants cannot integrate and earn a decent income and instead resort to crime, that to me is still an argument that we should stop importing them.
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7. guappa ◴[] No.43532534{5}[source]
There's plentiful of studies done, sending the same CV under the name "Ahmad Jusuf Muslim" and "Petter Petterson" (or something along these lines), the 2nd name will be called for interviews way more often than the 1st name.

You not acknowledging there's a racial bias just makes you a racist.

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8. tomp ◴[] No.43532684{6}[source]
To be honest, I don't really care, neither about your verbal assaults nor about your mental gymnastics.

Until you propose solutions to rising crime, rape and fracturing societal trust, then I'll listen.

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9. guappa ◴[] No.43532932{7}[source]
Stating a fact is not a verbal assault.

Improving the living conditions and let it be known that equal opportunities exist and are viable would improve the situation.

Because when a person with dark skin is fully aware that the nice jobs aren't open to them, they'll behave consequently.

But of course you think all dark people are criminals so you wouldn't hire a dark person. You're part of the problem.