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A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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196 points RapperWhoMadeIt | 21 comments | 27 Mar 25 13:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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itissid ◴[27 Mar 25 14:55 UTC] No.43494328[source]▶
Its just people. People are the same everywhere, and are fundamentally unpredictable systems. How large groups behave does depends to a certain extent on context: by compared to others and your socio-economic situation. How they publicly expressed their values are entirely different from their behavior. This is to the dread of incumbent governments and pollsters.

If you starve a wealthy man for 2 weeks he will be ready to cannibalize. If you create a metric upon which you place a lot of economic-value, soooner or later it will get gamed and corrupted. If you remove checks and balances humans being unpredictable will turn on each other.

One can choose to ignore this fact, but at the cost of endless grief to oneself and those around.

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bufferoverflow ◴[27 Mar 25 18:01 UTC] No.43496176[source]▶
> People are the same everywhere

That is absolutely not true. People aren't the same even in adjacent neighborhoods sometimes. Some create great environments, some create hells on earth.

Source: I lived in 3 different countries + an isolated island.

But you don't even need my biased opinion on the matter. We have cultures that throw gay people off the roofs, and cultures that celebrate them.

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hnhg ◴[27 Mar 25 18:26 UTC] No.43496488[source]▶
Some of those cultures that apparently celebrate gay people were also chemically castrating them not that long ago, and also have a lot of locals who still hate gay people and cannot wait to get back to the old ways.

The rise of the far right in Europe and USA might challenge your idea of fixed regional cultures quite soon.

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tomp ◴[27 Mar 25 18:33 UTC] No.43496579[source]▶
The main drive of who you call “far right” is precisely to import less people that want to throw gays off roofs.
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hnhg ◴[27 Mar 25 18:38 UTC] No.43496645[source]▶
Some of them, maybe. Some others are just not tolerant of LGBT lifestyles and equality at all.

Also, I don't think someone who wants limited immigration is necessarily far right.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[27 Mar 25 19:12 UTC] No.43496996[source]▶
*)limiting ILLEGAL immigration, emphasis on the word illegal.

Nobody in Europe has a problem with LEGAL immigration, but the left wing parties and MSM keeps ignoring this and sweeping illegal immigration along the legal immigration banner to drive the narrative that Europeans are racists who hate all immigrants in order to justify (social) media censorship and restrictions on free speech to fight the "right wing extremist nazi" boogie man, which ironically, actually fuels the swing towards the extremist right wing, because the regular public discourse and communication channels for criticizing illegal immigration in public are censored/disabled.

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1. amanaplanacanal ◴[27 Mar 25 19:23 UTC] No.43497102[source]▶
They always say that, until you talk about legalizing more immigration, then you find out that no, they don't want any more immigration period.
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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[27 Mar 25 19:28 UTC] No.43497151[source]▶
>until you talk about legalizing more immigration

Maybe because people have been duped so much in the last 10+ years to know that the loaded statement of "more immigration" from the government only means legalizing more ILLEGAL immigration, driving them to hate all forms of immigration because the governments have proven themselves useless at enforcing border controls and depurations of those who brake the law.

That's the result that you get when you maliciously sweep ILLEGAL immigration under the same political banner used for legal immigration, as the liberal European governments have done, so you end up hurting the image of legal immigration as well but this is the fault of politicians, not the people whoa have suffered form illegal immigration and have next to no channels of changing this other than voting far right.

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3. amanaplanacanal ◴[27 Mar 25 19:32 UTC] No.43497213[source]▶
Ummm... At least in the US, they are absolutely not worried about law breaking at all. Look who they just elected president? "Law and order" is basically dead here.
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4. FirmwareBurner ◴[27 Mar 25 19:46 UTC] No.43497365{3}[source]▶
Do you want the Orange Man to bring back all those prisoners he sent to EL Salvador? Would you like them in your neighborhood?
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5. tomp ◴[27 Mar 25 20:02 UTC] No.43497544[source]▶
I don’t think that anyone minds immigration of highly educated people from advanced civilized countries that have aligned values and respect local cultures.

But illegal and legal immigrants from other countries mainly consume taxpayer resources and spread crime and violence.

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6. amanaplanacanal ◴[27 Mar 25 20:07 UTC] No.43497602{4}[source]▶
I just find it fascinating how some people are perfectly fine with rich criminals, but want to get rid of the poor criminals. It makes me wonder what their real motivations are.
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7. sjsdaiuasgdia ◴[27 Mar 25 20:13 UTC] No.43497650{4}[source]▶
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30...

When you use a list of tattoo elements to identify "Venezuelan gang members" and that list is also matched by the cheap options on the wall of any random tattoo shop, you tend to get a lot of false positives.

Mr. Mota can absolutely stay in my neighborhood.

8. mantas ◴[27 Mar 25 21:14 UTC] No.43498276{5}[source]▶
Crimes by random thugs is affecting day-to-day life much more than corrupt politicians stuffing their pockets with public money.

Getting stabbed on the street vs somebody giving a government contract to a buddy? If I must choose, I’d rather take the later tbh.

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9. guappa ◴[27 Mar 25 21:35 UTC] No.43498462{6}[source]▶
Is it? A thug might occasionally steal your wallet. Rich criminals make sure you will not get cure for whatever illness you will surely get as you get older.
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10. guappa ◴[27 Mar 25 21:36 UTC] No.43498470[source]▶
Of course they do mind, ask any dark skinned person with a university degree about their experiences.
11. mantas ◴[27 Mar 25 21:56 UTC] No.43498647{7}[source]▶
A thug may kill you and it won’t matter much what illness you’ll get at old age.
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12. guappa ◴[27 Mar 25 22:02 UTC] No.43498688{8}[source]▶
A lightning might kill you as well while you're still in the crib. But not all these events have the same probability.

Why do you worry more about the very unlikely events and not at all about the almost sure events?

13. rat87 ◴[28 Mar 25 03:14 UTC] No.43501125{4}[source]▶
I don't want orange man to deport ordinary Venezuelans to a left wing dictatorship. Or to another country for having tattoos

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-bec...

14. amanaplanacanal ◴[29 Mar 25 00:20 UTC] No.43511454{8}[source]▶
You are far more likely to be killed by a citizen than an illegal alien, and even that chance is tiny compared to an automobile death. You've been lied to by people trying to manipulate you for their own political power. Don't get suckered by then. They are not your friend.
15. amanaplanacanal ◴[29 Mar 25 00:22 UTC] No.43511462[source]▶
That is absolutely not true. Whoever you heard that from is lying to you. Local citizens cause way more crime than immigrants. Maybe think about where you are getting your news from, because it is bullshit.
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16. tomp ◴[29 Mar 25 00:45 UTC] No.43511636{3}[source]▶
Of course they do, because there’s way more local citizens than immigrants.

But non-Western immigrants are more likely to commit crimes (i.e. on a per-capita basis).

This blog post goes into some detail, and also adjusts by sex & age (also important!).

https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-...

You can easily confirm the basic “Danish origin vs non-Western immigrants” statistics by doing simple math from official sources.

https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/krimin...

Persons of Danish origin commit 75% of crime yet represent 84% of the population. Immigrants are only 16% of population yet commit 25% of crime.

Or is official Danish statistics lying?

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17. guappa ◴[31 Mar 25 05:14 UTC] No.43531332{4}[source]▶
Now correct for income and see if it isn't linked to income rather than skin colour :)
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18. tomp ◴[31 Mar 25 08:00 UTC] No.43532392{5}[source]▶
So? If non-Western immigrants cannot integrate and earn a decent income and instead resort to crime, that to me is still an argument that we should stop importing them.
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19. guappa ◴[31 Mar 25 08:22 UTC] No.43532534{6}[source]▶
There's plentiful of studies done, sending the same CV under the name "Ahmad Jusuf Muslim" and "Petter Petterson" (or something along these lines), the 2nd name will be called for interviews way more often than the 1st name.

You not acknowledging there's a racial bias just makes you a racist.

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20. tomp ◴[31 Mar 25 08:45 UTC] No.43532684{7}[source]▶
To be honest, I don't really care, neither about your verbal assaults nor about your mental gymnastics.

Until you propose solutions to rising crime, rape and fracturing societal trust, then I'll listen.

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21. guappa ◴[31 Mar 25 09:27 UTC] No.43532932{8}[source]▶
Stating a fact is not a verbal assault.

Improving the living conditions and let it be known that equal opportunities exist and are viable would improve the situation.

Because when a person with dark skin is fully aware that the nice jobs aren't open to them, they'll behave consequently.

But of course you think all dark people are criminals so you wouldn't hire a dark person. You're part of the problem.