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Zambyte ◴[] No.43411102[source]
What was wrong with Harris?
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mandmandam ◴[] No.43411223[source]
All Harris had to do to win was promise to stop sending arms to Israel.

Many, many polls showed this very clearly. 77% of Democrat voters wanted an arms embargo, and over 30% of 2020 Biden voters in key battleground states said that this issue was serious enough to affect their vote.

> A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunteer or fundraising emails and people replied by asking about Gaza, they were told to mark it as “no response.” The result? They seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue.

- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-le...

So yeah, if there was one thing wrong with Harris, that would be it. That one issue would have changed the result, and as far as single issues go, I call genocide a pretty big one. It's kinda the biggest.

Far from the only issue though - campaigning with Dick Cheney was pretty fucking stupid, for one thing. Then there was promising to be harsher on immigration than Trump. Promising the world's "most lethal" military (we already are?) while trying to gaslight broke Americans into believing the economy was great. In general, trying to pick up right wing votes was a heinous 'strategy'.

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ta1243 ◴[] No.43411263[source]
Well done for all the anti-israel-arming people. I hope they're happy with the outcome they wanted.
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lenerdenator ◴[] No.43411434[source]
To be fair, they're okay with what they got so long as they're not the ones getting it.

Hamas is a hardline theocratic political party based on a very conservative interpretation of a religion. That means they're anti-free speech/press/religion/assembly, anti-LGBTQ rights, anti-free enterprise, anti-secular jurisprudence, and anti-representative government. Neither of the Palestinian Territories have had meaningful elections in over a decade. They're utterly unwilling to discuss any sort of deviation from their foreign policy agenda in good faith.

And yet, that's who many people on the political left-of-center see as the "freedom fighters" of the Israel-Hamas conflict.

Is Israel blameless? Absolutely not. They've committed numerous war crimes and atrocities since October 7th. On the other hand, they have shown with Jordan and Egypt that if their neighbors agree to leave them alone, they'll do the same in turn.

Fatah isn't that much better.

Honestly it's a different flavor of the same kind of authoritarianism that many on the right in the US dream of. And with Trump, they're much closer to implementing this, albeit with a different religion. If the idea behind the 2024 election in the US was to prevent more people from coming under authoritarian rule on a global scale, the left in the US failed miserably. And I say that as someone on the political left.

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bloopernova ◴[] No.43412638{3}[source]
People weren't supporting hamas, they were condemning the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

That message was picked up by the russians etc and turned into a wedge issue on social media.

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meeshmuesh ◴[] No.43413402{4}[source]
You can’t pretend that every issue that is contentious is some Russian propaganda designed to cause infighting. If you misplace your keys, do you blame Putin as well?
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1. bloopernova ◴[] No.43415070{5}[source]
what about my comment led you to state that I pretend "every issue is russian propaganda"?