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617 points jbegley | 40 comments | 04 Feb 25 20:28 UTC | HN request time: 4.524s | source | bottom
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A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 ◴[04 Feb 25 23:18 UTC] No.42940660[source]▶
I want to be upset over this in an exasperated expression of oddly naive "why can't we all get along?" frame of mind. I want to, because I know how I would like the world to look like, but as a species we, including myself, continually fail to disappoint when it comes nearly guaranteed self-destruction.

I want to get upset over it, but I sadly recognize the reality of the why this is not surprising to anyone. We actually have competitors in that space, who will do that and more. We already have seen some of the more horrifying developments in that area.. and, when you think about it, those are the things that were allowed to be shown publicly. All the fun stuff is happening behind closed doors away from social media.

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1. dgfitz ◴[04 Feb 25 23:22 UTC] No.42940696[source]▶
Could you imagine how the entire world would look if they took truth serum for an entire year, how different the world might be?

Lies run the planet, and it stinks.

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2. ziddoap ◴[04 Feb 25 23:32 UTC] No.42940849[source]▶
Your point could be made, probably even stronger than it is currently, by omitting the insult at the start.
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3. yubblegum ◴[04 Feb 25 23:33 UTC] No.42940860[source]▶
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4. iwontberude ◴[04 Feb 25 23:35 UTC] No.42940889[source]▶
moralistic relativism creates cover for egocentrism to destroy us
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5. A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 ◴[04 Feb 25 23:35 UTC] No.42940896[source]▶
That.. is a new one. I thought I am fairly aware of various forms of coded language. Care to elaborate?
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6. dgfitz ◴[04 Feb 25 23:38 UTC] No.42940937{3}[source]▶
Ah nuts, I’m not trying to project anything at all. Sincerely.
7. turbojet1321 ◴[04 Feb 25 23:38 UTC] No.42940936{3}[source]▶
Yes but unfortunately that doesn't make it false.
8. explodes ◴[04 Feb 25 23:39 UTC] No.42940944[source]▶
Insults are not part of the community guidelines
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9. ziddoap ◴[04 Feb 25 23:42 UTC] No.42940988{4}[source]▶
>than a chatgpt style

Literally just remove the first 4 words and keep the rest of the comment the same, and it's a better comment. No idea what chatgpt has to do with it.

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10. dgfitz ◴[04 Feb 25 23:47 UTC] No.42941042{3}[source]▶
Fwiw I’m way too dumb to speak in coded language.
11. justonenote ◴[04 Feb 25 23:48 UTC] No.42941047{5}[source]▶
That would be removing information and strictly worse that including it.

Communication is about communicating information, sometimes a terse short and aggressive style is the most effective way. It activates neurons in a way a paragraph of polite argumentation doesn't.

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12. mv4 ◴[04 Feb 25 23:50 UTC] No.42941064[source]▶
I don't think they meant the "truth" truth but people saying what they really think and being open about their motivations.
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13. lioeters ◴[04 Feb 25 23:52 UTC] No.42941088{4}[source]▶
Similarly your point would have communicated better without the unnecessary and adolescent final sentence.
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14. cortesoft ◴[04 Feb 25 23:54 UTC] No.42941114{4}[source]▶
“More effective” at what? No one is ever going to be convinced by an argument that begins with an insult. So what do you mean by it will be more effective?
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15. justonenote ◴[04 Feb 25 23:55 UTC] No.42941128{5}[source]▶
It was for effect.

Maybe you'd prefer if we were all maximally polite drones but that's not how humans are, going back to GPs point, and I don't think it's a state than anyone truly wants either.

16. iwontberude ◴[04 Feb 25 23:55 UTC] No.42941134{3}[source]▶
Being childlike is a blessing and a compliment in my book.
17. justonenote ◴[04 Feb 25 23:56 UTC] No.42941146{5}[source]▶
No comment.
18. Hello71 ◴[04 Feb 25 23:59 UTC] No.42941182{6}[source]▶
the contention of your respondents and downvoters is that regardless of your intention, the extra information actually communicated is "i'm an asshole".
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19. justonenote ◴[05 Feb 25 00:01 UTC] No.42941211{5}[source]▶
Do you honestly think an insult never brought about a change in a person? You never think a carefully landed and accurate insult made someone reconsider their position?

Weird, because in my experience, that has happened to every single person I know and myself. Whether it's at the start or end of a comment is not really the point.

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20. justonenote ◴[05 Feb 25 00:07 UTC] No.42941278{7}[source]▶
Fine, that's still extra information.

More accurately in the context of the comment, its "Im gonna be an asshole to you because I think you don't have the life experience I do", which is at least, some kind of signal.

I wasn't the original responder btw.

21. dgfitz ◴[05 Feb 25 00:07 UTC] No.42941281{6}[source]▶
Welp, in this specific instance, your insults are a microcosm of the election results.

Stinks, huh?

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22. leptons ◴[05 Feb 25 00:07 UTC] No.42941282[source]▶
The only people who don't think truth matters are those who would profit from lies.
23. justonenote ◴[05 Feb 25 00:12 UTC] No.42941344{7}[source]▶
Things are very black and white these days, no room for shades.
24. gessha ◴[05 Feb 25 00:19 UTC] No.42941429[source]▶
“Grownups never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince
25. mrbungie ◴[05 Feb 25 00:21 UTC] No.42941450{6}[source]▶
It may do depending in context, but that's not the point and in fact is widely recognized as a ad hominem argument and fallacious by definition.

Most emotionally mature people would stop arguing after something like that.

26. Swannie ◴[05 Feb 25 00:36 UTC] No.42941628[source]▶
Yes, have you watched The Wheel of Time? Better to read the books... the characters bound to tell the truth are experts in double meanings.

Successful politicans and sociopaths are experts in double meanings.

"I will not drop bombs on Acmeland." Instead, I will send missiles.

"At this point in time, we do not intend to end the tariffs." The intent will change when conditions change, which is forecast next week.

"We are not in negotations to acquire AI Co for $1B." We are negotiating for $0.9B.

"Our results show an improvement for a majority of recipients." 51% saw an improvement of 1%, 49% saw a decline of 5%...

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27. dgfitz ◴[05 Feb 25 00:44 UTC] No.42941720[source]▶
Wow.

Yes I read the whole series. It was a fucking marathon.

I can’t quite tie your point into the series directly, other than to agree that elected officials are, almost by definition, professional liars.

(Tugs on braid)

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29. cat_plus_plus ◴[05 Feb 25 00:48 UTC] No.42941779[source]▶
We would all be covered in bruises from getting slapped all day long.
30. scarface_74 ◴[05 Feb 25 00:53 UTC] No.42941833[source]▶
People try to cope and say others are guided by lies. In the US, people knew exactly what they were getting and I’m true the same is true in other “democracies”.
31. scottyah ◴[05 Feb 25 01:08 UTC] No.42941993[source]▶
Human's short context windows with too many areas to research and stay up to date on is why I don't believe any version of Democracy I've seen can succeed, and the only real positive to some kind of ASI government/policing (once we solve the whole universal judgement system issue). I'd love a world where you would be assisted through tax season, ill-intentioned drivers were properly incentivized to not risk others' lives, and you could at least be made aware before breaking laws.

Eliminating the need to lie/misguide people to sway them would be such a crazy world.

32. TheSpiceIsLife ◴[05 Feb 25 01:10 UTC] No.42942022[source]▶
If you can’t cope with the lies, what makes you think you’d cope with the truth? Which I guarantee you is magnitudes of order more horrifying.
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33. WOTERMEON ◴[05 Feb 25 01:11 UTC] No.42942031[source]▶
I mean you can see that even at any company at any size. I think it’s human nature.
34. TheSpiceIsLife ◴[05 Feb 25 01:20 UTC] No.42942137{3}[source]▶
Sounds horrible.

Deception is bad enough, knowing people’s true motivations and opinions surely would be worse.

What truly motivates other people is largely a mystery, and what motivates oneself is wildly mysterious to that oneself indeed.

35. portaouflop ◴[05 Feb 25 01:23 UTC] No.42942171[source]▶
Put LSD in the drinking water
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36. dgfitz ◴[05 Feb 25 01:40 UTC] No.42942383[source]▶
If who can’t cope with what lies?

Yes, the truth would also stink. I’m sure it’s also horrifying.

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37. LoganDark ◴[05 Feb 25 02:14 UTC] No.42942716[source]▶
This is actually a plot point of Unsong https://unsongbook.com
38. mitthrowaway2 ◴[05 Feb 25 03:26 UTC] No.42943322[source]▶
What is true is already so. Owning up to it doesn't make it worse. Not being open about it doesn't make it go away. And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with. Anything untrue isn't there to be lived. People can stand what is true, for they are already enduring it.

—Eugene Gendlin

39. mcmcmc ◴[05 Feb 25 04:06 UTC] No.42943646{3}[source]▶
Not the GP, but I think what they’re getting at is that Aes Sedai can deceive without saying untruthful. So a hypothetical truth serum wouldn’t necessarily guarantee honesty
40. TheSpiceIsLife ◴[06 Feb 25 02:03 UTC] No.42958101{3}[source]▶
The general you, the reader.