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Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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612 points dayanruben | 7 comments | 01 Feb 25 16:44 UTC | HN request time: 1.112s | source | bottom
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sgt ◴[01 Feb 25 17:04 UTC] No.42899856[source]▶
Is Swift actually serious about embedded?
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timsneath ◴[01 Feb 25 17:09 UTC] No.42899910[source]▶
Of course! Tons of examples here: https://github.com/apple/swift-embedded-examples

At WWDC24, we shared a session on embedded Swift, which is available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqxbsADqDI4

More documentation on embedded Swift tooling here: https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/blob/main/docs/EmbeddedSw...

(Disclosure: I work at Apple.)

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1. elforce002 ◴[01 Feb 25 19:41 UTC] No.42901449[source]▶
Hi Tim. I liked your work with dart/flutter. Are you guys working on overhauling Xcode? The DX is atrocious.
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2. sgt ◴[01 Feb 25 21:05 UTC] No.42902322[source]▶
Did something happen with Xcode? I used it around 5 years ago, and it was pretty good and fast. I don't think it had dark mode but that's not too important to me.
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3. codr7 ◴[01 Feb 25 21:22 UTC] No.42902481[source]▶
Agreed. It's not like they didn't have enough time to fix it either. And they seem semi-capable of creating usable UI's elsewhere.

The thing is, when it comes to applications, both Apple and Microsoft compete with their own customers; which makes a pretty solid motivation for providing shitty developer experiences.

4. cosmic_cheese ◴[01 Feb 25 21:37 UTC] No.42902619[source]▶
Xcode is fine as long as you skip Interface Builder and make a point to keep your SwiftUI views lightweight. For the latter my rule of thumb is to try to cap nesting in any given view at 3 levels and to break code out into new components for anything deeper, which is a good practice since readability starts declining steeply past 2-3 levels deep anyway.

It doesn’t have all the whizbang features of Jetbrains IDEs, but my experience is that those sorts of features only work correctly sometimes and can be as much of a hindrance as they are a help.

5. seviu ◴[01 Feb 25 22:04 UTC] No.42902868[source]▶
No refactoring tools, lack of autocomplete, having multiple targets break compilation, errors in the ui, crashes running unit tests, it freaks out when switching git branches, spm can’t handle proxy servers, never ending indexing… List goes on and on. Xcode used to be good at around version 3. Everything that came after that has been disastrous.

Meanwhile Android Studio or VS Syudio are tools which are a joy to use and are built to help you and not to be constantly on your way

Fact is Apple should do like Google and admit there are better ides out there

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6. andrekandre ◴[02 Feb 25 02:07 UTC] No.42904930{3}[source]▶

  > Xcode used to be good at around version 3.
before the merging of interface builder into xcode: it never recovered...
7. frizlab ◴[02 Feb 25 06:04 UTC] No.42906365{3}[source]▶
I hate the other IDEs tbh

Yeah Xcode has its quirks but so does everything else. Nothing is perfect in this world.

What actually bothers me is Apple is now apparently trying to copy other IDEs (poorly) and making theirs worse for it. E.g. the new commit view which is an atrocity. They had something buggy yes, but at least decent. Now they have something buggy AND with a terrible UX.