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1603 points ezekg | 7 comments | 16 Jan 25 14:17 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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focusedone ◴[16 Jan 25 15:16 UTC] No.42726381[source]▶
Dear goodness will any other companies trying to sell to the company I work at please adopt this strategy. Please explain clearly what your product does, how you handle security, and what the enterprise license costs on the homepage.

Please do not harass us with calls and perpetual emails asking to schedule calls. If a call is what it takes to answer basic security and pricing questions, I loathe your company name before we've spoken and am very interested in doing business with anyone who *does* post that stuff online.

I do not understand why that's difficult, but it must be.

I wish I could use what this guy is selling.

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ikanreed ◴[16 Jan 25 16:33 UTC] No.42727520[source]▶
A lot of companies don't actually sell a product that does anything useful, though. They sell an idea that sounds useful to management, and obscuring the truth earns more money.
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snacksmcgee ◴[16 Jan 25 17:09 UTC] No.42727966[source]▶
A crucial point that is lost on this venture capital-funded forum: scummy garbage makes money. Taking sales people out for steak and whiskey makes money. Lying makes money. (That last point is especially funny considering how startups lie, too, like having a landing page and no product but collecting emails like you do.)

The economy is built on grifting, at this point, and every time, people here are shocked, SHOCKED that that is the case.

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spenczar5 ◴[16 Jan 25 17:26 UTC] No.42728194{3}[source]▶
> The economy is built on grifting, at this point

I agreed until here. Obviously, lying isn't the only way to make money. I make furniture and fix windows in old houses for a living. Am I grifting?

When you stretch into hyperbole, you lose the ability to convince people in the middle.

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1. calebio ◴[16 Jan 25 17:32 UTC] No.42728249{4}[source]▶
It's not that hyperbolic. I'd say the economy isn't built on you making furniture and fixing windows in old houses for a living.

Do folks like you exist? Yes. Is the economy built on folks like you? No.

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2. tomxor ◴[16 Jan 25 17:39 UTC] No.42728330[source]▶
> Do folks like you exist? Yes. Is the economy built on folks like you? No.

Are you sure?

If you ignore human constructs such as companies and organisations and quantify based on classifications that make more sense for aggregates of workers, you might be surprised how little of the economy is built on the F500 let alone venture capital unicorns.

3. kortilla ◴[16 Jan 25 17:55 UTC] No.42728510[source]▶
What do you think the economy is built on? Do you realize how much is spent on basic things like energy, food, construction of roads, buildings, houses?

It’s very obvious when people straight up lie in these industries because the physical thing never materializes.

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4. pbhjpbhj ◴[16 Jan 25 18:30 UTC] No.42729006[source]▶
Yeah, if people were lying about utilities and infrastructure we'd have a right mess... like sewage pumped into rivers and onto beaches whilst water executives take home £millions. Those same companies begging for taxpayers money to do maintenance whilst paying out billions to shareholders. And infrastructure projects that look weirdly like ways to divert £billions of tax resources into private hands whilst achieving essentially no benefit.

/crying-in-UK

One of many stories about HS2 -- they managed to not document procurement though, so the judges didn't turn find evidence of corruption in that aspect (different story) -- https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/10/23/british-high-speed-r...

5. hathawsh ◴[16 Jan 25 18:36 UTC] No.42729072[source]▶
Here is a breakdown of the US GDP in 2023:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-u-s-gdp-by-indu...

I think it's fair to say that a large component of the top two industries (professional services and real estate) are shady. OTOH, there are a lot of industries that seem less prone to corruption and more likely to reward people for honest work.

That's just my POV, though.

6. TeMPOraL ◴[16 Jan 25 22:23 UTC] No.42731685[source]▶
> It’s very obvious when people straight up lie in these industries because the physical thing never materializes.

Sort of. The trick in these industries is to instead cheat on quality of materials and workmanship. Which is how we're drowning in physical products to buy, and yet most of them are barely functioning garbage - they've all been "value engineered" to near breaking point.

7. csomar ◴[17 Jan 25 03:57 UTC] No.42733910[source]▶
I'd actually say it's opposite. The economy is built on folks like him but rewards other folks making it seems like his contribution to the economy is nil.