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samsartor ◴[] No.42468798[source]
GNNs have been a bit of a disappointment to me. I've tried to apply them a couple times to my research but it has never worked out.

For a long time GNNs were pitched as a generalization of CNNs. But CNNs are more powerful because the "adjacency weights" (so to speak) are more meaningful: they learn relative positional relationships. GNNs usually resort to pooling, like described here. And you can output an image with a CNN. Good luck getting a GNN to output a graph. Topology still has to be decided up front, sometimes even during training. And the nail in the coffin is performance. It is incredible how slow GNNs are compared to CNNs.

These days I feel like attention has kinda eclipsed GNNs for a lot of those reasons. You can make GNNs that use attention instead of pooling, but there isn't much point. The graph is usually only traversed in order to create the mask matrix (ie attend between nth neighbors) and otherwise you are using a regular old transformer. Often you don't even need the graph adjacencies because some kind of distance metric is already available.

I'm sure GNNs are extremely useful to someone somewhere but my experience has been a hammer looking for a nail.

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1. lmeyerov ◴[] No.42468882[source]
Are you doing some regular like vision?

For the reasons you're saying, I don't think it's an accident that GNNs are popular mostly in domains like recommendations that feel graph-y for their domain model so getting to a useful topology isn't as big a leap.

A frustration for me has been more that many of these graph-y domains are about behavioral machine/people data like logs that contain a large amount of categorical dimensions. The graph part can help, but it is just as import to key on the categorical dimensions, and doing well there often end up outside of the model - random forest etc. It's easier to start with those, and then is a lot of work for the GNN part (though we & others have been trying to simplify) for "a bit more lift".

Of course, if this is your core business and this means many millions of dollars, it can be justified... but still, it's hard for most production teams. In practice, we often just do something with pygraphistry users like xgboost + umap and move on. Even getting an RGCN to perform well takes work..