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hntempacct99 ◴[] No.42194606[source]
From what I have seen using Bluesky this isn't true at all. It's brutally censored, even more than Twitter was in 2021. Or are there other relays and appviews I can use that aren't? Is there a comprehensive list of Bluesky infrastructure that isn't run by Bluesky themselves (excluding a PDS)? Or is it totally centralized for now?
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nick_ ◴[] No.42194628[source]
What brutal censorship have you observed?
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throwaboutbsky5 ◴[] No.42194761[source]
https://bsky.app/profile/sallgrover.bsky.social

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1857595757882188086

Sall Grover is the creator of a woman-only social app in Australia that was taken to court over that sex exclusivity. Posted a few controversial statements to test the atmosphere and this is the result.

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kspacewalk2 ◴[] No.42195029[source]
Judging purely from those Tweets, Sall is a troll who was correctly booted off a platform that is trying to improve the quality of discussions.
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plapplap ◴[] No.42197208[source]
She posted a factual statement to test the waters and was instantly censored for it.
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happytoexplain ◴[] No.42199562[source]
This is a very common form of dishonesty on this topic.

First, even if we give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is factual, you do not need to lie in order to spread hatred, or at the very least provoke/troll people. "But it's true" is a childish defense in that context. If you were being honest, you would defend the practice of provoking/trolling people regarding gender identity (rather than merely defending the generic concept of saying something factually true, which is akin to the classic "I'm not touching you" game of provocation). And to be clear: I am not arguing against that theoretical argument in this comment - I am just saying that you should make that argument, since clearly you believe it but are being oblique about it.

Secondarily (and I do mean secondarily - it's entirely subservient to the first point and basically just an exercise in argument): The statement isn't factual, since it's just disagreeing with a context in which a word is used. It's literally a semantic argument, which is always more or less subjective.

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1. plapplap ◴[] No.42202937[source]
Let's say she was testing the moderation system on a different topic. For example she'd posted the statement "Jesus was nothing more than a man", which resulted in her post being instantly censored and her profile slapped with a content warning.

Would you still be making the claim that she is "spreading hatred"?

I would still say she was making a factual statement that she was censored for. As we have evidence that this person was a historical figure and not just some figment of fiction. Only those with a particular ideological belief, i.e. most Christians, think there's more to it.

Fortunately that's not what happened, and such ideologues are not in charge of imposing those beliefs on others via Bluesky's moderation system. But it's clear that those who assert that some men are women are imposing their beliefs. Which is exactly what Sall demonstrated.