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    1. anonymousDan ◴[] No.42199097[source]
    One important question that I'm unclear on is how long it takes to fix one of these cables. If it takes months then that is quite a wide window in which an attacker could incrementally take down cables.
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    2. PhasmaFelis ◴[] No.42199191[source]
    In this particular case, it seems like the attackers were trying for plausible deniability (making it look like an accident with an anchor). A comprehensive series of "accidents" wouldn't fit that goal.

    (And if they decide they don't care about plausible deniability, they could use sub-deployed timed mines to take out every cable at once.)

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    3. chgs ◴[] No.42199255[source]
    And then once they are fixed take them out again
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    4. booi ◴[] No.42199277[source]
    Generally it can be fixed in days. They raise it from the sea floor and splice in a new cable section.
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    5. amelius ◴[] No.42199299[source]
    They could even blow up all cables at once. Maybe the explosives have already been placed.
    6. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42199323{3}[source]
    > once they are fixed take them out again

    In an actual war, you hit the repair equipment and personnel [1].

    (As to the Geneva Conventions note, we're discussing a hypothetical war with Russia. The status quo, including rules of war, are going to be rewritten by the victors.)

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_tap_strike

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    7. TheMiddleMan ◴[] No.42199350[source]
    This is a great video on undersea cables https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFt9le2ytW0

    "Sabatoge" and repair is discussed at 11:45

    8. mistyvales ◴[] No.42199352[source]
    Crazy that you can splice optical cable..
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    9. dgfitz ◴[] No.42199397{3}[source]
    I mean… they get terminated somehow, right?
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    10. neom ◴[] No.42199495{3}[source]
    Today, we're going to talk to John Owens and learn about the process of splicing fiber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zN20ZVInfU
    11. UltraSane ◴[] No.42199622{3}[source]
    They actually have very cool devices that will automatically align and fuse two fibers and estimate the loss of the bond.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_C0XLLyR0

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    12. alisonatwork ◴[] No.42199746[source]
    Even if these "accidents" are a state sponsored (or at least condoned) action, it seems certain states have realized they can happen over and over again without consequences[0].

    The frustrating part of this kind of petty tactic is that bullies can do just enough to annoy and inconvenience their targets, while never quite doing enough to make it worth expending the political capital to hold them to account. From the bully's perspective there's no downside. And if legitimate accidents or rogue actions get portrayed as deliberate then all the better - that just reinforces the bully's reputation as an actor to be feared while further eroding trust in the international institutions that may one day challenge it.

    [0] https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5677668

    13. dmoy ◴[] No.42199812{4}[source]
    True, but splicing without leaving behind a powered repeater is different from the final termination with active electronics on the end.

    It's pretty cool tech

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    14. dgfitz ◴[] No.42200084{5}[source]
    I’m saying you can terminate cleanly without needing a repeater.

    To be clear, I’m saying to terminate each end of the cut cable to a terminating device that continues the flow of light, not just the termination at the beginning/end of the line. Sorry if that wasn’t obvious.

    15. ahnick ◴[] No.42200329{4}[source]
    how much do one of those bad boys cost?
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    16. scheme271 ◴[] No.42200621[source]
    True but ships and crews with the equipment to do the repairs are limited. It's possible to overwhelm the repair capacities. Also, it takes time to physically travel between cuts so while cuts in the Baltic might take a week or two to fix, a cut in the Atlantic and one in the Baltic may take a week or two just for travel.
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    17. UltraSane ◴[] No.42200756{5}[source]
    The cheapest ones are surprisingly cheap at less than $1,000 and the highest end ones are $10,000
    18. shmerl ◴[] No.42200853{3}[source]
    If someone will try to overwhelm the repair capacities for integral communications, they'll be dealt with like pirates - simply sunk and be done with.
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    19. LtWorf ◴[] No.42201308{4}[source]
    As if they know which ship did this…
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    20. shmerl ◴[] No.42201401{5}[source]
    They already know. The captain will probably end up in prison for a long time, and company which owns the ship will pay for the deliberate damage. Would be good too if they can crack who from the crew works for Russian saboteurs besides the captain. Unlikely it's just one person.
    21. mcfedr ◴[] No.42201672[source]
    Certainly worth blowing up some russian ships to make sure it doesn't happen again
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    22. oniony ◴[] No.42202480[source]
    How would blowing up Russian ships stop Chinese ships doing it again?
    23. chgs ◴[] No.42202553{4}[source]
    If you are planting one cutting device (small bomb etc), you could do the same thing 10 miles down the line and blast it again without having to revisit the area.