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hagbard_c ◴[] No.42175831[source]
Nothing new here, the Swedish government has been publishing this guide since the second world war [1] and updates it regularly. It is not directly related to an increase in international tensions and would have been published even if Putin and his cronies were out on the pony farm. The last update was published in 2017/2018 by the previous labour-led government, now that Sweden is part of NATO it needed an update to reflect that fact. Previous versions were published in 1943, 1952, 1961, 1978, 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991 and 2017/2018.

[1] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_kriget_kommer

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piva00 ◴[] No.42175863[source]
I still have mine from 2017 in a kitchen drawer, as an immigrant it was quite informative, it's how I've learned that Sweden will never surrender and any messaging about it is enemy agitation to be ignored.
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rightbyte ◴[] No.42176050[source]
> that Sweden will never surrender and any messaging about it is enemy agitation to be ignored.

Oh ye, the outlawing of losing wars. Not very convincing for adults but I guess teenagers think it sounds cool.

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hagbard_c ◴[] No.42176123[source]
The "Sweden will never surrender" part refers to the brochure warning against enemy propaganda which suggests that Swedish forces have surrendered and people should leave enemy forces unharmed. It is mentioned on page 5 of the English-language brochure:

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30874.pdf

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rightbyte ◴[] No.42176418{3}[source]
So how do you enforce an armistice when the standing order is "never to surrender"? I.e. not "enemy propaganda" but government orders. You would have units disregarding it left and right.

I don't think it is a good idea to give the soldiers the impression that they will fight to the last man, since that encourages killing their officers at an earlier stage than they would otherwise. Preferably, you want to lure with some peace agreement that is just around the corner, such that the soldiers believe that there is hope for them.

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1. mewpmewp2 ◴[] No.42189580{4}[source]
> I don't think it is a good idea to give the soldiers the impression that they will fight to the last man, since that encourages killing their officers at an earlier stage than they would otherwise. Preferably, you want to lure with some peace agreement that is just around the corner, such that the soldiers believe that there is hope for them.

I think you are confusing Sweden with some other country.