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zackangelo ◴[] No.42179476[source]
This is astonishingly fast. I’m struggling to get over 100 tok/s on my own Llama 3.1 70b implementation on an 8x H100 cluster.

I’m curious how they’re doing it. Obviously the standard bag of tricks (eg, speculative decoding, flash attention) won’t get you close. It seems like at a minimum you’d have to do multi-node inference and maybe some kind of sparse attention mechanism?

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danpalmer ◴[] No.42179501[source]
Cerebras makes CPUs with ~1 million cores, and they're inferring on that not on GPUs. It's an entirely different architecture which means no network involved. It's possible they're doing this significantly from CPU caches rather than HBM as well.

I recommend the TechTechPotato YouTube videos on Cerebras to understand more of their chip design.

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accrual ◴[] No.42179717[source]
I hope we can buy Cerebras cards one day. Imagine buying a ~$500 AI card for your desktop and having easy access to 70B+ models (the price is speculative/made up).
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danpalmer ◴[] No.42180050[source]
I believe pricing was mid 6 figures per machine. They're also like 8U and water cooled I believe. I doubt it would be possible to deploy one outside of a fairly top tier colo facility where they have the ability to support water cooling. Also imagine learning a new CUDA but that is designed for another completely different compute model.
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trsohmers ◴[] No.42180527[source]
Based on their S1 filing and public statements, the average cost per WSE system for their (~90% of their total revenue) largest customer is ~$1.36M, and I’ve heard “retail” pricing of $2.5M per system. They are also 15U and due to power and additional support equipment take up an entire rack.

The other thing people don’t seem to be getting in this thread that just to hold the weights for 405B at FP16 requires 19 of their systems since it is SRAM only… rounding up to 20 to account for program code + KV cache for the user context would mean 20 systems/racks, so well over $20M. The full rack (including support equipment) also consumes 23kW, so we are talking nearly half a megawatt and ~$30M for them to be getting this performance on Llama 405B

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meowface ◴[] No.42181290[source]
Thank you for the breakdown. Bit of an emotional journey.

"$500 in the future...? Oh, $30 million now, so that might be a while..."

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1. jamalaramala ◴[] No.42181646[source]
It took 30 years for computers go from entire rooms to desktops, and another 30 years to go from desktops to our pockets.

I don't know if we can extrapolate, but I can imagine AI inference on our desktops for $500 in a few years...

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2. stefs ◴[] No.42182572[source]
well, we can AI inference on our desktops for $500 today, just with smaller models and far slower.
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4. ryao ◴[] No.42197536[source]
There is no need to use smaller models. You can run the biggest models such as llama 3.1 405B on a fairly low end desktop today:

https://github.com/lyogavin/airllm

However, it will be far slower as you said.