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euroderf ◴[] No.42176649[source]
So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.
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regnull ◴[] No.42176841[source]
The solution is to project strength and hit them where they don't expect. You are dealing with a thug, not a cost/benefit accountant, as Obama seemed to mistakenly believe. As long as they do things and we respond, nothing good will happen. They have already calculated the response and found it acceptable. Instead of this, go to the mattresses. Oh, your bridge has suddenly exploded? Shame.
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petre ◴[] No.42176982[source]
"We" already screwed their pipeline, what's left? Provide Ukraine with the means to blow up the Kerch bridge maybe? They're the ones that could legitimately do that sort of escalation.
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chii ◴[] No.42179156[source]
> "We" already screwed their pipeline

unfortunately, "we" didnt have to pay a sacrifice to the economy for it, because germany paid it.

The US is too afraid of nukes, and won't escalate. The russians rightly predicted this.

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petre ◴[] No.42180166[source]
Germany was told to stop buying Russian gas financing the Russian war machine by the previous Trump administration. They were told to pledge 2% of their GDP for defense, contributing more to NATO. They didn't listen. This is what happened: Ukraine got invaded, the pipeline was blown up to ensure compliance, their defense spending reachd 2% this year, more two years too late in a worse economic climate. Next year, the next Trump administration is going to demand more, because 2% is already insufficient.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-hit-nato-budget-goal-for-1s...

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throwaway290 ◴[] No.42180280[source]
Don't forget how Germany's exports of chips and machinery to places like Kyrgyzstan skyrocketed since the invasion.

> Exports of motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts to Kyrgyzstan grew particularly strongly in the first quarter, soaring more than 4,000% from a very small base to over 84 million euros... That came after a six-fold rise in German exports to Kyrgyzstan last year following Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/german-exports-russias-neighbo...

I know people in Kyrgyzstan, trust me they did not suddenly become industrialized when Russia invaded

Anecdotally, as a Russian, some of my craziest interactions with foreigners who support the thugs in Russian gov, blame US/NATO for Russian aggression and totally buy the propaganda were with Germans. (Not a proper data point, just venting frustration, Germany get your act together...)

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1. chii ◴[] No.42181096[source]
With the gov't coalition collapse in germany, there's definitely some voices that oppose western actino against russia (adf is one, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG4bxFKBNos).

I can't help but suspect that russian influence and covert action behind the scenes, most of which might be decades in the making, is kicking into high gear.

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2. throwaway290 ◴[] No.42183778[source]
This is my impression, too.