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nozzlegear ◴[] No.42174177[source]
For anyone who didn't click through to the WebKit bug report the author submitted, a WebKit dev asked him to clarify why the BBC finds it beneficial to be able to detect that the event was sent from a keyboard. This is the author's response:

> Ironically, I want interoperability on this to help with use cases relating to accessibility.

> I work at the BBC and, on our UK website, our navigation bar menu button behaves slightly differently depending on if it is opened with a pointer or keyboard. The click event will always open the menu, but:

> - when opening with a pointer, the focus moves to the menu container.

> - when opening with a keyboard, there is no animation to open the menu and the focus moves to the first link in the menu.

> Often when opening a menu, we don't want a slightly different behaviour around focus and animations depending on if the user 'clicks' with a pointer or keyboard.

> The 'click' event is great when creating user experiences for keyboard users because it is device independent. On keyboards, it is only invoked by Space or Enter key presses. If we were to use the keydown event, we would have to check whether only the the Space or Enter keys were pressed.

Source: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281430

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O-stevns ◴[] No.42174511[source]
Seems like a non bug to me.

The first mistake the developer made, was that he wanted to create a different user experience between keyboard and mouse. Stick to what you get by default and design your components so they work for both usecases. Don't try to be smart when it comes to accessibility.

What he ended up doing is what I would have considered a hack. A solution that inevitably breaks or has side effects.

The reason there rarely are good handles to do things differently in accessibility context, is because it's not something that's meant to be handled differently.

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that_guy_iain ◴[] No.42176540[source]
> The first mistake the developer made, was that he wanted to create a different user experience between keyboard and mouse.

No, they wanted to make them the same. It's just to give a blind person the same experience as a seeing person requires different things because they operate differently for obvious reasons. For example, a blind person can't see when an animation has finished. They expect that menu to be available once they've triggered it. However, seeing people see the dropdown appearing and then go to use it once it's ready.

> Don't try to be smart when it comes to accessibility.

In all seriousness, considering the state of accessibility as is, I think going outside the box isn't trying to be smart. It's actually being smart. The BBC frontend team is probably at the forefront of making high-traffic websites extremely usable.

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1. O-stevns ◴[] No.42180852[source]
> a blind person can't see when an animation has finished. They expect that menu to be available once they've triggered it. However, seeing people see the dropdown appearing and then go to use it once it's ready.

A blind person can and should get cues from their assistive technologies that an item is is being loaded and is shown, either using announcements or aria tags that provide this information to the user.

While its fine to expect that something is available immediately, that's rarely a realistic expectation, whether you're blind or not.

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2. that_guy_iain ◴[] No.42181109[source]
If you remove the can, I would agree.