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Mistletoe[dead post] ◴[] No.42174256[source]
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xdennis[dead post] ◴[] No.42174568[source]
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andy24 ◴[] No.42174726[source]
I’m Russian, am I the problem? We need @dang here to address this racism here.
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romwell ◴[] No.42174992[source]
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mdp2021 ◴[] No.42175236[source]
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1. dang ◴[] No.42177582[source]
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, regardless of nation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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2. mdp2021 ◴[] No.42177829[source]
Sorry Dang, but that was not related to nationalistic flamewar - I do not see how. Edit: well, it could have kindled fire with a different public, but you did a good job in educating this one...

About Crimea, it seemed that the poster proposed a clear-cut situation, to which I replied with a prestigious example of disagreement: Gérard Chaliand. That has nothing to do with any nationalism. It just happen to be a position (an intellectual position) that some nationalists will appreciate more than others - but that is just a coincidence. The intellectual in question is French; the rebuttal from Aguaviva is appreciated.

The latter part of the post from Romwell, I honestly and not without some reason mistook for a statement that "if you are a citizen for nation N, democratic, then you are responsible for the actions of your governments". Being that a twisted idea, that Romwell in the end does not hold but as I also specified later some people do hold, I countered it. Again, this does not seem to be to be especially tied to nationalism.

It seems to me that we all discussed in very civilized manner - rhetoric aside. (From my post replying to Romwell on, I mean.)

If I am missing any detail (as I seem to be), please indicate.

Edit: Dang, are you simply afraid that people will "trigger"? If so, I think this branch proves otherwise... It seems to show that we are able to discuss quite rationally (well, with these members we have been lucky).

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3. romwell ◴[] No.42179529[source]
Seconding this, and wanted to emphasize that I see no issue with your responses or questions (and don't really understand why you've been downvoted either — advice on style appreciated).

As I wrote in the other comment, my point of asking those questions was to get answers from the Russian person who asked what's wrong with them specifically, not from other people (as the subject I wanted to discuss was, ultimately, why people could see well meaning Russians as a threat based on responses to those questions).

But I didn't make it clear (and again, corrections on style were very welcome!), and the points mdp2021 brought up were valid.

As far as I can tell, we didn't disagree on anything.

mdp2021 lacked some of the context, but so would most people, including me prior to the 2022 invasion.

So, dang's reaction seems unwarranted.