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leshokunin ◴[] No.42176328[source]
The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with.

We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42176978[source]
> We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation

If only there were someone applying pressure to Russia we could have fight for us!

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PKop ◴[] No.42177095[source]
So sacrifice more Ukrainian men for the meat grinder? What has that accomplished so far?
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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42177135[source]
> sacrifice more Ukrainian men for the meat grinder?

To the extent there's a meat grinder, it's of Russians [1].

> What has that accomplished so far?

Russia's disqualifying itself as a conventional military threat for at least a generation. It's not yet there yet, largely because Ukraine has been unable to target its war marchine. But the startling inefficacy of its army and technology has been made clear. Moreover, the front line has been maintained in Ukraine: that keeps them further from NATO and thus American and European boys at home.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...

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PKop ◴[] No.42177234[source]
>To the extent there's a meat grinder, it's of Russians

It's of both. Why deny the fact Ukrainian men are dying in droves? This is disrespectful of those that paid the ultimate sacrifice. Pretending this is not extremely costly to Ukraine in manpower is denying reality. They have been increasing the age of conscripts as they're running out of young men.

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1. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42177274[source]
> Why deny the fact Ukrainian men are dying in droves?

Nobody is. Meat grinder means excessive loss relative to necessity. The Ukranians are being slaughtered, but not mindlessly. They're fighting efficiently in respect of manpower.

Also, had we given Ukraine all the weapons it asked for in 2022, we probably wouldn't have had a meat grinder.

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